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Feminism vs. Sports and Science
Tech Central Station ^ | 05/10/2002 | Nick Schulz

Posted on 05/10/2002 8:48:52 AM PDT by xsysmgr

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1 posted on 05/10/2002 8:48:52 AM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: xsysmgr
I don't think Title IX is such a bad thing -- when all is said and done, colleges and universities will end up guaranteeing perfectly equal representation in all sports by eliminating every sports program. When 0% of males and 0% of females are involved in college sports, these schools will become real learning institutions and the students will participate in sports activities however they see fit.
2 posted on 05/10/2002 8:52:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
Hear, hear. Since when did colleges become institutions of "higher athleticism"?
3 posted on 05/10/2002 8:57:33 AM PDT by Own Drummer
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To: xsysmgr
Feminism in Sports - I love it!

ISN'T SHE CUTE?

DON'T TRY ANYTHING WITH THIS LADY!

4 posted on 05/10/2002 9:13:27 AM PDT by stlrocket
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To: Alberta's Child
You're missing the point. The point of the article is that Title IX has started us down the slippery slope of trying to artificially create gender equality in places where it simply may not be possible (or, at least, not desirable) to do so. College sports are a perfect example of this. Prior to Title IX, was there gender inequity in college athletics? Absolutely. Because men generally tend to be drawn to athletic pursuits moreso than women. The same thing is happening now with math and hard sciences. Schools are trying to engineer gender equity (pun intended) in a place where it simply may not be feasible to get perfect gender equity.
5 posted on 05/10/2002 9:20:41 AM PDT by LaBradford22
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To: xsysmgr
It's been pretty obvious that for a couple of decades, you could count on the fact that if a young doctor was white male, he was damn good. Because he had to be the very best to beat the gender and racial preferences. And if the doctor was non-white or female, you could reasonably assume they were inferior, also because of the racial preferences.

Now this extends into technical fields.

Note to hiring managers: Bring on the white males to the limit you think you can get away with it. Because minorities got into the programs, and got the grades, because of their status.

6 posted on 05/10/2002 9:29:47 AM PDT by narby
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To: xsysmgr
I know this might be radical, but why not let students and alumni vote on which teams exist at a particular college (given the amount of available money). Bet there'll be more votes for men's football than women's rugby.
7 posted on 05/10/2002 9:31:50 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
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8 posted on 05/10/2002 9:32:58 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Alberta's Child
I don't see how a literal reading of Title IX doesn't lead us to the conclusion that women's sports are discriminatory and if they want to participate, all sports must be coed.
9 posted on 05/10/2002 9:34:19 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: stlrocket
Sure "it" is a lady?

Note the prominent brow ridge.

10 posted on 05/10/2002 9:37:34 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: xsysmgr
Now that sounds reasonable enough.

All anti-discrimination laws sound reasonable, until they are implemented.

11 posted on 05/10/2002 9:41:51 AM PDT by untenured
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To: LaBradford22
Because men generally tend to be drawn to athletic pursuits moreso than women.

Absolutely. The easiest way to see this is to look at intramural sports. There are no scholarships at stake, nothing but competition. There is FAR more male participation than female.

12 posted on 05/10/2002 9:41:54 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: xsysmgr
Feminism is a war on Nature, in general, and femininity in particular. Correctly understood, it is one of the most vicious hate movements ever seen in America. (See The Feminist War On Love & Reason.)

That said, I would make another point. While Title IX reflects the extreme Egalitarian lunacy that underpins much of what the Federal Government has done on the domestic scene since the 1950s, it may eventually have one salutary effect: That is if it causes schools to reexamine the price of accepting Federal Funds, and induces them to ask the obvious question, "Why should the Federal Government, which has very clearly assigned duties in the Constitution, be involved in education, which is not one of those duties?"

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

13 posted on 05/10/2002 9:42:50 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: LaBradford22
I understood the point -- I was being sarcastic!

You have to remember that "gender equity" is a bunch of baloney even to those who claim to be its strongest supporters. As Thomas Sowell once said about Marxism, it will only survive in places where success isn't necessary. A person who is admitted into a medical school under an affirmative action program, and who passes his medical boards because of some kind of "race-norming" scoring system, will never become a renowned cancer specialist at Sloan-Kettering or a cardiac specialist at the Cleveland Clinic. He might become a witch doctor in a third-rate inner-city clinic, but then that's what he probably would have been doing even if he didn't go to medical school.

I think it was "60 Minutes" that did a report on the New York City Fire Department's "gender-norming" a few years ago. I don't know which was more comical, the sight of a 5'-1", 105 pound woman trying to drag a 200-pound dummy down a set of stairs, or the host of the show trying to keep a straight face while Gloria Steinem tried to defend the practice.

After September 11th, I never heard that b!tch complain that half of the firefighters killed in the WTC should have been women.

14 posted on 05/10/2002 9:46:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Own Drummer, Alberta's Child
"Hear, hear. Since when did colleges become institutions of "higher athleticism"?

Title IX isn't simply used to cull men's sports activities. It is also responsible for the feminization of military schools (i.e. VMI) and the outright elimination of all-male education institutions, while claiming victim's rights to maintain all-girl schools and programs. Before the Bush administration recently redirected policies, Title IX was being scrutinized as a way to dumb down science and math curriculum so that the proportion of male college students could be further reduced.

And the 60% vs. 40% disparity in female college entrollment wasn't pulled from the air - it's typical across the nation. Title IX, an increasingly PC feminist curricullum and a social environment generally hostile to all things traditionally male have lead to this situation. Of course, it would never occur to the feminazi fascists to apply their own Title IX medicine to that 60/40 enrollment disparity.

16 posted on 05/10/2002 10:03:06 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: untenured
Exactly...the same way that To Some, socialism sounds good on paper. Anti-discrimination laws are just trying to patrol people's hearts via the inefficient means of government.
17 posted on 05/10/2002 10:06:37 AM PDT by =Intervention=
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To: Harrison Bergeron
I don't dispute what you'e saying, but in any field where success is imperative you are always going to have some obvious resistance to these things.

"Gender-norming" in schools does not have the far-reaching impact that most people seem to think. I have always said that no more than 10% of the college students in this country are truly capable of handling real college-level material, and what "gender-norming" usually does is simply re-shuffle the remaining 90%, who are largely irrelevant anyway in a professional sense.

18 posted on 05/10/2002 10:08:18 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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"I wonder when someone is going to notice that Title IX is the biggest windfall for suburban, upper-middle class white girls. "

In my corner of suburbia, there was a huge ACLU lawsuit when the municipality installed lights at the local softball field that was used by the Little League and local men's teams. The field was virtually packed with teams and spectators five nights a week from April through September. The problem? Lights hadn't yet been planned for the seldom used girls field across the street. And, no, the offer to bring the girls' games to the mens' field was not accepted - they sued the local government into lighting both fields.

19 posted on 05/10/2002 10:11:29 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Alberta's Child
"...what "gender-norming" usually does is simply re-shuffle the remaining 90%, who are largely irrelevant anyway in a professional sense."

Tell that to the HR departments in large corporations that have been cowed by these "irrelevants" into dumbing down the workplace. Miscreants, sociopaths and dullards by the score hide their incompetence or destructive behavior behind EEOC, gender discrimination, and "childcare issues." It's why I quit management and resumed an engineering career. People break the rules of common sense and courtesy every day. But nobody - and I mean nobody - has the power to break the laws of physics.

20 posted on 05/10/2002 10:20:57 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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