Posted on 05/10/2002 10:35:56 AM PDT by Richard Poe
(If I remember correctly, Randy Weaver's trouble started because of overall length.)
For rifles, barrels must be no less than 16".
Of course, individuals who hold "Class III" licenses can legally own "short-barreled" shotguns and rifles, in addition to full-auto weapons.
When you legally purchase a variety of firearms, in a State like Massachusetts, you find these things out. 8-)
Regards
Yes, but most citizens in most states can just pay a $200 tax to the Treasury and accomplish the same thing.
They weren't gangsters, they were hillrods with a still out in the woods. The BATF(revenuer) was after them for operating a still w/o payin' the tax. Miller had a sawed off on the front seat of his truck. The agent remembered the new tax law covering these things and wrote him up for that too. Miller, having little concern for anything that complicated his life, never showed up for the SC trial. They couldn't find him to notify him anyway. Since Miller was a no show, no one countered the newly FDR packed SC judges' contention the sawed off wasn't a valid militia weapon.
There never was a trial. It was a one sided claim and unoposed finding. That's hardly something to hold up as a valid precedent in light of the founder's writings and the statements made during other SC cases denying the rights of blacks.
Not exactly. Miller won in the lower court, thereby setting up the SCOTUS hearing.
I've always been under the impression that paying the tax was all that was required from 1934 to 1968 but after the GCA of '68, it became necessary to obtain proper government permission to own the "real good stuff".
Any idea what states do not require "Class III" licensing? I may consider relocating. 8-)
Regards
I think you pretty much have your bases covered, as long as your local 'Chief Law Enforcement Officer' is a decent sort that will sign off for you.
You can start the process right where you're sitting, Tinman.
According to the always-reliable Dr. Michael S. Brown, Jack Miller was "a bank robber and moonshiner..."
If Miller's business had been confined to moonshining, I wouldn't describe him as a "gangster," but I think anyone who robs banks probably deserves the "gangster" label.
They don't call them scatter guns for nothing and that is the reason they are illegal.
I doubt if ANYone knows exactly why sawed/offs were unconstitutionally made illegal, but YOU are the first clown I've ever seen that said it was because of the 'scatter' effect. -- Weird.
Yes, if you are fighting a head on battle with someone then those that you hit are legitimate targets however, if anyone is even close to the action they are going to be hit or in danger of it, innocent or not.
'Even close'? The closer you are to a 'scattergun', the tighter the pattern, which is very tight with modern day loads at say 15 feet; -- might be maxed at six to 10 inches, depending much more on pellet shape & count, or wadding, than a usable barrel length or choke. Typically, a true cylinder bore shotgun will throw a 20 inch pattern at 10 yards, 32" at 20, 44" at 40yds, etc.
maneuverability in tight quarters is the goal then the defender is more than adequate and the shot distribution is at least somewhat controllable by the shooter.
Your knowlege of guns rivals that of your views on the constitution, tex. Totally SNAFUed.
How does the shot pattern of a shotgun with an 18.1" barrel and 26.1" overall length compare with that of a bull-pup shotgun that has an 18.1" barrel and 19.5" overall length?
Illogical. Norman, coordinate.
-PJ
They grab at scattergun straws to justify 'gun regulations' by big brother governments, but when facts refute them, -- they simply ignore them.
They rationalize, accommodate, and appease both fed & state gun grabbers, as is evident in this latest Emerson/Ashcroft flap.
-- Why? I guess you gotta go along to get along, in their book.
Disgusting attitude, - in mine.
Of course not. BTW, what do you think of my concept for a home-defense weapon: a bull-pup 28-ga semi-auto choked down to .499", with a downward "fork" on the stock beind the grip which would go on either side of the shooter's forearm? Such a thing would, I would thing, be very hard to grab from a shooter (since if the OAL were 26" only 12" would be in front of the grip, as opposed to 14" behind). If the payload of a 28ga round isn't considered adequate, a longer version of the cartridge (3.5" or 4") could be developed.
Where there's a will there's a way.
Until someone declares many semi-auto shotguns to be "assault weapons" since their 4-round magazines hold too many rounds.
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