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1 posted on 05/13/2002 8:24:06 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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2 posted on 05/13/2002 8:24:26 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
Will Third Parties Run to Victory?

No.

Will Third Parties Ruin Victory?

Yes.


3 posted on 05/13/2002 8:30:18 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: sheltonmac
The brigadeers and brownies will do their usual bashing and whining and siphoning votes away from Conservatives and then spend the next two years, a) complaining about the DemocRATs in power or b) complaining that the Republicans aren't any different than the DemocRATs.

Either way, they are marginal fringes whose only use is by the DemocRATs to undermine their opponents and they are not taken seriously by anyone except their own narrow focus group.

They cannot construct. They can only destroy or obstruct. Hey, they sound like DemocRATs to me!

6 posted on 05/13/2002 8:44:46 AM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: sheltonmac
Both major parties are hopelessly corrupt... both are stealing our freedom.... screw 'em
7 posted on 05/13/2002 8:45:00 AM PDT by Lexington Green
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A spokesman for Barr says he, too, is unaware of the LP strategy, but in a written statement to Insight the congressman does not shrink from the challenge: "I'm proud to be the antidrug anti-constitution candidate in this race. … I have been a leader in the war against [illegal] drugs Americans and if the pro-drug pro-freedom folks want to target me with negative ads then that tells me I've been doing a good job in that effort."

As more and more CONSERVATIVE Americans wake up to the folly of the INSANE War on Drugs, fascists like Barr will eventually be sent packing. Drug prohibition is a statist, left-wing agenda: live it, learn it, love it.

Help take back our God-given birthright of liberty: vote LIBERTARIAN whenever a Drug Warrior is up for re-election, be he Pubbie or Rat.

18 posted on 05/13/2002 9:21:40 AM PDT by bassmaner
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To: sheltonmac
Will Third Parties Run to Victory?

Only on the local and State stages. Federally? Fuhgedaboudit.

22 posted on 05/13/2002 9:37:17 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: sheltonmac
There are a few third-party folks who believe they can win, but very few. What they mostly want is to be heard, the opportunity to make the points that matter to them, and campaigning is an avenue toward that. I've come to believe that it's a mirage, a sinkhole for energies that might otherwise have found constructive uses.

I was a county and state LP chairman for a while, and you can take it from me: nothing in politics is quite as grueling as trying to get people to work for a hopeless campaign. Most LP members get together for free donuts and coffee, and an evening's abstruse argument. Asking them to work is as near to self-defeating as makes no difference.

Eventually, I decided that third-party campaigns weren't doing any good for the cause of freedom, and might be doing some harm -- for sure they were doing me some harm -- and I declared my days as a third-party activist to be over. Life's been a lot more pleasant since then.

Still, I have yet to be convinced that voting for someone as far distant from my own principles as the candidates of the majority parties usually are is a good idea. One steals my liberty wholesale, the other steals it retail. Neither really conceals his intent to steal. On even the most fundamental matters of Constitutionally guaranteed rights -- what part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" could they possibly misunderstand? -- no majoritarian candidate is willing to take an absolute stand.

Of the original ten Amendments to the Constitution, only the Third (no quartering of troops) has yet to be grotesquely violated and nullified, with no penalty to the nullifiers. Yet the Constitution and its Amendments are the "supreme law of the land," transcending all other legislation. Why is it that the supreme law is never enforced upon those persons whom it was specifically designed to limit?

Ask a majoritarian candidate if he believes that the Constitution means literally what it says, and is willing to stand by it letter for letter. You'd have more of a shot at getting him to subscribe to a literal reading of the Bible, including the part in Leviticus where it says to stone homosexuals and adulterers. Yet they all have to swear to preserve, protect and defend it! Why repose trust in such people? What good does it do the country to vote for liars and oathbreakers?

So, in the absence of a constructive alternative, I don't vote. And I've discovered something remarkable: that is what terrifies the minions of the majority parties. They have a sense that the total vote tally is a gauge of the perceived legitimacy of the two-party system, of the parties themselves, and of government in these United States -- and I think they're right.

I've taken to making it an explicit thing. "I don't vote," I say, "because none of the candidates strikes me as honest or principled. I wouldn't be willing to have them in my living room, so why would I want them to have power over me? So I'm withholding my affirmation from all of them." And you should see the faces go pale. Because each and every person in the room has been harangued about how "it doesn't matter who you vote for, so long as you vote" until it's coming out of their pores -- and now they've been given a cogent reason why the reverse is true.

George W. Bush strikes me as an honest man -- but look at the things he's done since his election. Granted, he had to promise many things to many people to get elected, but that doesn't make the promises themselves palatable; it just means that, however he really felt about those policies, as an honest politician (i.e., "one who stays bought"), he had to deliver.

Given the political power of the redistributionist paradigm, nothing will change meaningfully until we come up with an enforcement mechanism for the Constitution. Even an honest man needs a wall to put his back against, now and then, so that he can convince the pullulating mobs that screaming at him won't work. He has to be able to say, "Gee, I'd like to give you what you want, but if I violate the Constitution, I'll be guest of honor at a necktie party." When that day comes, we can expect genuinely honest men in substantial numbers to re-enter public life, where, out of distaste for the types they'd have to rub elbows with, they will not go today. And I'll return to the voting booth.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

48 posted on 05/13/2002 10:55:38 AM PDT by fporretto
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Optimistic predictions aside, these third-party candidates are all long shots — just like Ventura.

Third party candidates are always quick to cite Jesse Ventura to bolster public perception of their chances. But I have found that the vast majority of people do not understand what made Ventura successful. He succeeded for two main reasons, neither of which applies to the vast majority of third party candidates:

1. Celebrity
The fact that he is a celebrity, not just his national wrestling and movie persona, but also from a fairly popular radio talk show in Minnesota prior to the election, was worth millions in advertising. He had name recognition and popularity among traditional voters and non-voters alike. That's not true of the vast majority of third party candidates. They would need a very expensive and very successful advertising campaign to gain Ventura level name recognition and likability.

2. Same day polling place voter registration.
In Minnesota, an unregistered voter can show up at a polling place on election day. If he has proof of residence in that voting precinct (like a driver's license, or utility bill in his name), or (hold on to your hats) if a registered voter will vouch for him, he can register and vote. Ventura drew a tremendous number of previously unregistered voters to the polls on election day. A lot of them were unregistered voters who did so on a whim. Without same day polling place registration, Ventura would not have won. Since very few other states have such liberal voter registration laws, most third party candidates would not have this advantage.

50 posted on 05/13/2002 11:01:02 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: sheltonmac
America's third parties tend to be regarded by political insiders as something of a joke.

A joke that nobody on either side is laughing about -- unless it spoils "the other party's" election.
56 posted on 05/13/2002 11:46:17 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: sheltonmac
What was it that J.C. Watts said?........

"Character is doing what's right even when no one is watching".

That's sort of how I approach voting.

I vote for who I believe is right, regardless of which "party"

he/she is working for.

73 posted on 05/13/2002 1:15:41 PM PDT by WhiteGuy
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I'm hope Nader runs again in '04. I'm considering joining DU and posing as a Greener and telling everyone that the Dems are corporate, corrupt death penalty supporters and bash "money-bags" Edwards and the Clintons' two-facedness. It'll be so easy, hahahahaha! Except for the lying part...I guess those DU moles over here have an advantage that way, they're used to lying all the time. I know they'll show up on this thread pushing Republicans to vote third, fourth or fifth party, it doesn't matter which, as long as that vote is spread out, so I just want to say, Hi, guys! I know you're out there! You're working so hard, I think you guys ought to take a break!
76 posted on 05/13/2002 1:31:09 PM PDT by stands2reason
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Victory for Bush 2004 = Split the liberal protest vote.
104 posted on 05/13/2002 7:00:03 PM PDT by ChadGore
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I don't need to know any more about the LP or the Browneian Movement - but if I did, them targeting Bob Barr would suffice.
105 posted on 05/13/2002 7:04:26 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: mrclint
Care to put your 2 cents in?
109 posted on 05/13/2002 9:07:39 PM PDT by Valin
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To: sheltonmac
No.
111 posted on 05/13/2002 9:16:00 PM PDT by Bob J
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