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1 posted on 05/20/2002 3:06:17 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
The whole homosexual issue aside, I as a priest definitely wouldn't give communion to someone in my church trying to use communion to make a political statement. Come back next week without the sash and act appropriately, and then you can have communion.

Kudos to the priest for not letting them get away with politicizing communion. Kudos to the other parishioners for having enough restraint not to beat the crap out of them during the service either.

2 posted on 05/20/2002 3:18:09 AM PDT by Quila
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To: kattracks
Archbishop Denis Hart did offer the sash-wearers a blessing.

Why? To make them "feel good" about their immoral lifestyle choice? They are under the curse of God. Maybe if this Archbishop really cared about them he would make sure they understood that.

4 posted on 05/20/2002 3:38:53 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: kattracks
Another example of 'homos doing what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.'

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5 posted on 05/20/2002 3:48:13 AM PDT by JCG
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To: kattracks
this is good news...

homosexuality has to be kept out of the church...

about time...

too bad the Bishops didn't do this years ago - for if they had - all this homosexual stuff in the catholic church would not be happening...

7 posted on 05/20/2002 4:01:21 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: kattracks
Never mind that the Bishop refused Communion to Homosexuals with sashes making a political Statament, How about the facts stated by Sipe and Cozzens in their books that the priesthood is as much as 50 % Homosexual.

In a survey by a priest of 50 Homosexual Priests, Sipe states "that only 4 were celebate, 10% had more than 10 sexual Partners and 22% had 500 Sexual Partners or more".

Are We to presume that it is OK for these Homosexual priests to be on the Alter celebrating Mass with all that is implied.

Our whole idea of right and wrong is upside down.

No one Knows who of these people are celebate and who are not, unless major changes are made, the Church is in for a long Dark period.

How can any Homosexuals be allowed to be Priests much less 50% of the total.

12 posted on 05/20/2002 4:37:55 AM PDT by chatham
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To: kattracks;one_particular_harbour
"Although human weakness is universal and God's mercy infinite, the path to happiness and heaven for a Catholic does not lie in seeking to re-interpret what is right and wrong," the bishop said.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.The Church has active homosexuals and child abusers not only taking communion but "consecrating "the common wafer....and those Bishops know it..

The perverts can consecrate it but unless they are ordained they can not take it...unbelievable

They need to deal honestly with the issue within the ranks of priests before they can honestly make a public statement like above...IMHO

23 posted on 05/20/2002 7:20:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: kattracks
Kelly, a former Franciscan seminarian, attributed the discrepancy to "confusion" in the church hierarchy about how to handle the issue of homosexuals.

Since the top of the Church's org. chart is G-d, I don't think there is any confusion in the hierarchy. There may be confusion in the ranks, but it would be a good idea if the ranks would get it straight, as the CEO has a habit of being very harsh with those who are supposed to know better.

I'm not a Catholic theologan, but I would be very, very, very careful before giving any holy sacrament to anyone who had openly rejected a relationship with G-d. I don't think G-d would punish the petitioner, but the giver of the sacrament might want to be standing near a lightning rod.

Shalom.

25 posted on 05/20/2002 7:49:08 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: Siobhan,patent
FYI BUMP
28 posted on 05/20/2002 8:06:26 AM PDT by B Knotts
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Kelly said Monday he found the comment "childish" and "unhelpful," not something worthy of a major church leader.

He charged that the current child-sex abuse scandal in the church in the U.S. and elsewhere was the result of the church hierarchy's refusal to bring matters of sexuality out into the open.

The RSM would continue to campaign to be allowed to participate fully and openly in the life of the church, Kelly said. Homosexuals had been involved in the church for centuries, he added, but their participation had taken place under a "code of silence and invisibility."

This is funny, pathetic and tragic.

34 posted on 05/20/2002 8:46:20 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: kattracks
as a symbol of their desire to "embrace our sexuality as a sacred gift."

There is nothing sacred about their "DEPRAVED SEX ACTS". Their behavior is contrary to the natural law. If you refuse to accept Roman Catholic moral theology then go to the Episcopal church. They are embracing all of you. And take all our liberal priests and bishops with you.

35 posted on 05/20/2002 8:54:36 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: kattracks
"God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve,"


45 posted on 05/20/2002 9:58:52 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: kattracks
It's the totally awesome, soon-to-be cardinal, Archbishop George Pell !!!

I really wish he'd come to America -- and stay.

46 posted on 05/20/2002 10:07:02 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: kattracks
Bump
49 posted on 05/20/2002 10:16:27 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: kattracks
Hot dog! About time some priests showed some gumption.

Now, let's get some of these type of priests on the U.S., particularly in the dioceses of Kennedy, Daschle, Leahy, and the rest of the pro-abortion, pro-sodomite legislators.

53 posted on 05/20/2002 10:52:05 AM PDT by GreatOne
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"Although human weakness is universal and God's mercy infinite, the path to happiness and heaven for a Catholic does not lie in seeking to re-interpret what is right and wrong," [Archbishop George Pell] said. "Rather, one should commit oneself, in good faith, to the church and its teachings and work towards following these teachings as closely as possible."
Major bump for the Aussie bishop!!! God bless you, Archbishop Pell!
54 posted on 05/20/2002 10:52:56 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: kattracks
"Refusal to give communion is the second most serious sanction in church life, after excommunication. So it's a very rare and very important sanction that's been imposed on us."

This last part should have read, "...that we've chosen to impose on ourselves by rejecting the teachings of the Church."

..the group had donned their sashes during the introductory hymn, as a symbol of their desire to "embrace our sexuality as a sacred gift."

Sacred gift? You mean the one that God called an abomination?

The bishop had not offered them a blessing either. If he had done so, it would have been seen as a "token gesture," Kelly said, but nonetheless one that would have said to the group: "We don't completely reject you."

He clearly said that it was their sin, the very one they were choosing to celebrate, that he was rejecting.

Any Catholic who publicly defined himself as "supporting or practicing activities contrary to church teaching in a serious matter is not entitled to receive Holy Communion." The same would apply to a married person living in adultery, [Bishop Pell] added.

The church could use about a thousand more like Bishop Pell.

70 posted on 05/21/2002 7:21:40 PM PDT by FormerLib
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