US Coast Guard New Rules to Fight Terrorism Announced

US Coast Guard Press Release ^ | May 28, 2002 | US Coast Guard Vice Adm. James D. Hull

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Can you provide proof that any branch of the military charges citizens for it's services?
For example if an Army base helps an area during a flood, what do they charge?
What did the US Air Force planes flying over US cities after 9/11 charge each citizen in that city?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Maybe you'd care to set a figure on what a saved life should be charged.

Since Sept. 11, Coast Guard units have:
Conducted over 35,000 port security patrols.
Conducted over 3,500 air patrols.
Boarded over 10,000 vessels.
Conducted over 2,000 boardings of "high interest vessels"
Escorted 6,000 vessels in/out of port.
Conducted over 7,000 Search and Rescue Cases
Assisted over 10,000 mariners
Saved 731 lives.
Interdicted 1529 illegal migrants
Responded to 115 pollution cases
Sea Marshals have escorted over 2,000 vessels
Maintained over 124 Security Zones
Seized 70,560 lbs of cocaine
Seized 19,534 lbs of marijuana
Approx. 124 Security Zones in effect
Approx. 2900 Reservists recalled to active duty

[willyone]

Alameda and Mare Island are both shut down. Great bases but the lefty nuts in the bay area did not want them there any longer. San Diego is a very narrow channel with alot of navy traffic.

[HiJinx]

TThe U.S. Army at Ft. Huachuca has provided over a million gallons of water, virtually guaranteeing a lawsuit from the Center for Biological Diversity, to the U.S. Forest Service to fight fires in the Catalina Mountains north of Tucson, AZ. 10 heavy slurry bombers are making hourly sorties from Libby Army Air Field on Ft. Huachuca to attack the fire, which is threatening homes and businesses on the top of Mt. Lemmon. The USFS has not been charged a dime for the water or for the use of the 10,000' runway at Libby.

Source: Sierra Vista Herald, www.svherald.com, article published 5/29/02.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

I think I gave Carry_Okie to many actual facts to digest.
Either that or he's trying to find proof that the US military actually charges it's own citizens for services rendered.
I'm not sure that he actually understands the Coast Guard is one of the 5 branches of the military.
If he does, well then that would just make him another anti-military wacko.
Most of his remarks were "aimed" right at the Coast Guard itself, not Wash DC.

[Carry_Okie]

How many generals were fired or resigned for failing to stop 911?

How many intelligence officers handed in their resignations?

If a container brings in a bomb or enemy agents, will the Coast Guard Commandant or Norm Mineta hand in their resignations for misallocating resources?

Do you think the Department of Transportation is providing airport security?

How about that decision to prevent pilots from being armed?

Unaccountable. It's the uncomfortable truth.

[Carry_Okie]

You have no clue what I wrote. I am talking about economic price suppression. The reason there is no private ocean rescue service is that nobody goes into competition with a government monopoly that can afford to give its product away for free.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Stay on topic.
Now show me what other branch of the military charges citizens for rescue work.
You make wild statements about the Coast Guard.
How they are ineffective, how they harrass boaters.
How they don't charge what they should.
Scream all you want about Wash DC but knock off your attacks against the Coast Guard itself.
BTW What's your answer to a branch of the military that only has 35,000 total?
Even if you had them all together on one day, how would they all be able to inspect ever ship container
AND do everything else they are required by law?

[Carry_Okie]

I wrote:"You don't charge what the service is worth"

I said that they DON'T charge.

You said:Since when does the military charge citizens for it's services?

Plain fifth-grade English, and you don't get it. Pathetic.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"a government monopoly that can afford to give its product away for free."

The military is a government monopoly now?
mmmm Well in a way you are right.
So what other "government monoplies" (i.e. branches of the military)
charge for rescue services and impede American business?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Plain fifth-grade English, and you don't get it. Pathetic."

Your lack of respect for the military is what is pathetic.
You attacked the Coast Guard itself and showed no respect for the active duty Coast Guard FReepers and lurkers.
I am NOT one of them, I just assist them.

[Carry_Okie]

Only a very small fraction of incoming containers are inspected. If FR hadn't locked the old threads and made them opaque to Google I would have that data. If you don't know that understand the threat, you haven't had your eyes open. I am saying that our resources are misallocated because Mineta and crew are not accountable and that this policy will do little to provide for the common defense. Do you argue that?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"If you don't know that understand the threat, you haven't had your eyes open."

Why do you think I volunteer my time to help?
I know that 35,000 TOTAL US Coast Guard cannot do everything they are required by Congress.
They also are under direct command of the Commander-in-Chief since they are one of the 5 branches of the military.
No, my eyes are wide open, are yours?
Or will you just complain instead of helping in the real world?

[Carry_Okie]

Your lack of respect for the military is what is pathetic.

Should I respect a multi-trillion-dollar military that could allow a highjacked plane to crash into the Pentagon with over an hour's notice? Then no one loses their job. That lack of accountability is what is pathetic. At least Arthur Anderson is going through hell for losing ONE tenth of what the US government loses every year.

You attacked the Coast Guard itself and showed no respect for the active duty Coast Guard FReepers and lurkers.

That's just paranoid nonsense. Go back and read what I wrote and see if you can find such an attack. I have consistently argued that the porosity of our maritime borders is due to a lack of accountability at the top. I said that I disagreed with a policy to use the USGS for protecting Naval ships, indicating that there searching container vessels is a higher priority. You and Semper911 argued that I should accept continued unconstitutional rulemaking without a declared war because the USGS does wonderful search and rescue operations. I repsonded that a number of services that the Coast Guard offers are superfluous compared to their first responsibility to this nation and could be esaily handled by private industry if they got out of it.

How is that attacking the Coast Guard?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"That's just paranoid nonsense. Go back and read what I wrote and see if you can find such an attack."

From your post 13
"I think we have higher priorities for the Coast Guard than to harass American boaters"
From your post 28
" But I have also seen them playing eco-cop without any knowledge of what they were doing, I know people who saw them getting their jollies boarding boats with nude babe sunbathers, I nearly got my boat bashed when they were conducting a "safety check" in choppy water just because they wanted to gawk at the antique yacht, and know that they tried to board a Federally documented vessel illegally (all 20 years ago)."

[Carry_Okie]

Why do you think I volunteer my time to help?

I think it is in the finest traditions of patriotism.

I know that 35,000 TOTAL US Coast Guard cannot do everything they are required by Congress.

I agree. So they should reallocate their resources. How about cutting back on S&R (since aquaculture and NMFS have killed the fishing industry) and concentrating on containers?

They also are under direct command of the Commander-in-Chief since they are one of the 5 branches of the military.

Every department in the Executive Branch is under the command of the President. The DOT is not part of the military at which time it has been historically transferred to the Navy (see your own history (I had already been there)). We do not have a declared war. I said that too. Write your congressman and ask that war be declared and then the Coast Guard will be part of the Navy and the Navy can then allocate the resources. I want accountability and Mineta won't proivide that (see airports).

Or will you just complain instead of helping in the real world?

Now that is really unfair if you know anything about me. I gave up a career and $300,000 in income to help do something about regulatory tyranny in this country. That is what I saw in these regulations and I argue that it is not in the best interest of what remains of the republic.

There is a reason for the separation of powers, you know that. It is because combining the three powers, legislative, executive, and judicial into one branch of government is structurally destructive to individual liberty and justice under the rule of law. We see it in the various environmental and land management agencies all the time and I am certain that you would agree that the results have been nothing short of a horror to this nation's farmers, foresters, miners, and ranchers and threatens our both our resource independence and startegic military capability. Note how these very factors created the underlying conditions we face and threaten us more than losing a few ships.

So, Semper911 sees nothing wrong with that structure because it's the Coast Guard, and I call it a structural problem no matter what agency it is. We disagree. I provided examples of how the Coasties are human and he didn't like it and you call it disrespectful. I would argue that it was he who doesn't respect the Constitution. If you don't like that, too bad.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"unconstitutional rulemaking"

How is the Commander-in-Chief's use of a military branch unconstitutional?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Please educate yourself on the military chain of command.
The Coast Guard in both peace time and war time is ALWAYS under command of the Commander-in-Chief.
The Coast Guard is ALWAYS subject to the USCMJ, at peace, at war.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Should I respect a multi-trillion-dollar military that could allow a highjacked plane to crash into the Pentagon with over an hour's notice?"

Now you just showed your true hate for the military.
You just literally spit on the graves of every service man and woman who died on 9/11 and since then.