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Texas History Gets New Mexican Twist
Fox News ^ | May 29, 2002 | Douglas Kennedy

Posted on 05/29/2002 3:11:32 PM PDT by JuanAntonio

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:33:39 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

"Remember the Alamo" is a battle cry that Texans learn early in their formative years.

But the call to remember the Texas revolution of 168 years ago has a new place in Texas history, somewhere in the back of the textbooks.


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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: alamo; history; mexico; texas
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To: MeeknMing
Santa Ana will be the new Texas hero in the Texas history books. He only massacred the Texans at the Alamo for good reasons after all.
81 posted on 05/30/2002 5:54:18 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Tetta
The settlers had to be of good moral character, Catholic, abide by Mexican law and eventually become Mexican citizens. When word was out of the new settlement thousands came–out number the native Mexicans–things got out of hand. U.S. selfishly wanted Texas territory for itself, and James selfishly wanted Texas for himself. Long declared Texas independent and naming him self president of Texas. Mexico now had a problem, and U.S. still had selfish interests. Mexico passed an immigration law that forbid future immigration into Texas by U.S. citizens. They came anyway.

There are some important lessons to be learned here. History is repeating itself but in reverse. Now it's Mexico trying to take Texas for it's selfish reasons and this country doesn't even ask that the settlers be of good moral character, abide by US laws, or ever become US citizens.

Mexico was too weak of a country to control it's northern territories and it couldn't convince Mexicans to move into those regions to build them up. The deal was made with Spain in the first place, then there was the Mexican War of Independence from Spain, the northern territories that included Texas were only Mexico's for about 25 years, their claim on them isn't based on much.

82 posted on 05/30/2002 6:01:24 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Ouch !
83 posted on 05/30/2002 8:10:20 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Brownie74
Thank you! The truth shall set you free
84 posted on 05/30/2002 8:12:51 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: JuanAntonio
"If you teach young people who have allegiances not only to the United States but to Mexico that Texas is stolen, you could be planting the seeds of a separatist movement 30 years from now or sooner," he said

It's already been alive for years and it's growing. I suppose the schools in Mexico don't teach about the U.S. Army storming of Chapultec(sp)or the U.S. victory at Vera Cruz either.

85 posted on 05/30/2002 8:17:59 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: MeeknMing
Yeah, I have a post card of that image. Got it from a friend in Texas that uses it as a calling card (QSL card) for Amateur radio (Ham) contacts, with his call sign on the top. Through my contacts I have collected them from all over the world, (almost every country on Earth) and that one from Texas is still one of my favorites.
86 posted on 05/30/2002 8:47:22 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: FITZ
Mexico was too weak of a country to control it's northern territories and it couldn't convince Mexicans to move into those regions to build them up.

This is true, but we possibly need to look at other dynamics of the indigenous peoples that were living in the area at the time, like the Tarumara Indians, the Apaches and all that . . . various tribes had lived there for thousands of years. Some of the so called Mexicans were not Mexicans at all, but native Indians who lived between what we know now as U. S. and Mexico. ( Remember the Apaches us to migrate deep into Mexico, and vis a verse). When the line was drawn by the U. S. at the Rio Grande, one perhaps should remember that many of these people had been living in the land they inherited by there forefathers. This means their families have lived there for thousands of years. It is very natural for Spanish Indian, French Indian, Irish Indian to be in the area. (Sort of like the Palestinian situation). Yet their population was low. Today, it's very natural for these individuals to speak Spanish. It's very natural for many of them to have dark skin, appear to look Indian and all that . . . . it's very natural that many of their families still live in the same area. It was once their homeland.

87 posted on 05/30/2002 9:58:50 AM PDT by Tetta
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To: El Gato
the laws are contrary to the higher laws, ie. the Constitution, be it of the US or the then existing Mexican one, then revolting against those "laws" and "lawmakers" would indeed be a "lawful revolt".

Not in the opinion of the relevant "lawmakers!"

88 posted on 05/30/2002 10:33:42 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: Joe Hadenuf

89 posted on 05/30/2002 11:21:25 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: JuanAntonio
Remember The Alamo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
91 posted on 05/30/2002 3:16:45 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: JuanAntonio
As I posted on another thread:

By all means, let's tell the Mexican side of it. Tell one and all how Santa Anna trashed the Constitution and went on a reign of terror in Mexico. Tell how his brother-in-law, General Cos, gained the title "the Butcher of Zacateas(sp.)" before he marched into Texas. Tell how the Texans saved Mexico by weakening Santa Anna's political and military power, such that the Mexicans were able to kick him out when he returned to Mexico City.

Of course, they couldn't keep him out -I swear that guy had more lives than Rasputin.


92 posted on 05/30/2002 6:20:17 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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To: JuanAntonio
I saw this post earlier today and shared it with a friend or two at work. I'm tellin' you folks, this country is not gonna be the same. We are in danger of losing a lot, if not everything. Those that just sit back and watch are gonna be in for a rude awakening, then it will be too late............Preserve our Republic! Fight for Freedom!
93 posted on 05/30/2002 6:24:23 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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94 posted on 05/30/2002 6:24:51 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: El Gato
Juan Seguin a great TEXAN and an honorable man He truly understood Freedom and what he wanted in Texas for Texans, and was a true friend to Sam Houston and Stephen F Austin.
(I find it ironic that the Republic of Texas Founding fathers have cities named after them that are liberal meccas)
95 posted on 05/30/2002 8:06:37 PM PDT by Rightly Biased
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To: MeeknMing
I guess the call this guy "Deaf" because his ears are so big???

I seem to remember a painting of Deaf Smith at Sam Houstons side when Santa Anna was captured and brought to Sam to surrender. General Sam Was wounded and was lying by an oak tree and deaf Smith was by him holding a hand up to his ear or something like that. It was in my very very thick Texas History book in J.H.S.
96 posted on 05/30/2002 8:15:53 PM PDT by Rightly Biased
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To: JuanAntonio
I am a native born Texan, and have been a teacher in Texas. This 'lady" from Houston can only write or have an impact on the curriculum in HISD. The state sets what must be taught, and the Alamo is certainly in the essential elements for 7th grade history. Social Studies is up for adoption in Texas this year, and all books being considered are on display at each of the 20 regional service centers. I went to one today and checked out each of the 4 books available - Glencoe/McGraw-Hill, Holt Rinehart Wilson, Prentice-Hall and McDougal Littell. All have a chapter or part of a chapter on the Alamo, and three seem to be very positive. These three refer to the battlecry -"Remember the Alamo" as having a positive impact on the revolution. At least one names the American and Tejano survivors of the Alamo. The one that does not mention the battlecry (in my brief review) is McDougal-Littell. It also states that Davy Crocket tried to surrender when he knew the battle was lost.
97 posted on 05/30/2002 8:23:33 PM PDT by mathluv
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To: JuanAntonio
Over 40 percent of Texas' student population is Hispanic

Wow! I didn't realize that...

98 posted on 05/30/2002 8:33:59 PM PDT by tututango
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To: lormand
Hmm?? your linkd was removed. Here is the URL:

mailto:amiller3@houstonisd.org

It was in my Self-search, but removed when I came to the thread.....

Bump to come back for this FReep!

99 posted on 05/31/2002 5:52:34 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: FITZ
<>>the northern territories that included Texas were only Mexico's for about 25 years, their claim on them isn't based on much./

Fewer than that, actually. It was only about 13 years, and there were many more Anglos than Mexicans in Texas.

Those who now whine that the Texans stole land that their Mexican ancestors had lived on for hundreds of years simply do not know their history.

100 posted on 05/31/2002 11:57:08 AM PDT by Texan4W
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