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US activists demand lawyers for chimps
BBC News ^ | Friday, 26 April, 2002, 12:46 GMT 13:46 UK | Editorial Staff

Posted on 05/29/2002 3:23:28 PM PDT by vannrox

US activists demand lawyers for chimps




Our nearest relative: Should apes get lawyers too?




Animal activists in the United States have launched a new campaign to let chimpanzees go to court. The Chimpanzee Collaboratory says chimpanzees are so close to humans - sharing 98.7% of our genetic make-up - that they deserve to get the same kind of legal representation as children.




A minimum level of autonomy is sufficient to justify the basic legal right to bodily integrity


Lawyer Steven Wise


Campaigners say this would let activists act as legal guardians for the chimps, potentially lodging law suits against researchers and animal entertainers.


But opponents say granting chimpanzees legal rights would be the start of a slippery slope, and that the current laws provide adequate protection.


Just like us


Among the rights chimps might be granted are the right to life, the right to freedom and the right to freedom from torture.


Research on great apes has shown that they have many of the characteristics associated with humans.


For example, the way in which they examine themselves in the mirror and their ability to name one another indicates they have a sense of self, says Andrew Whiten, Professor of Evolutionary and Developmental Psychology at the UK's St Andrew's University.


What concerns us is the increasingly litigious nature of those who believe that no animal should be used for any reason


Frankie Trull US researcher


Steven Wise, a proponent of chimpanzee rights, says this is enough to justify giving them a basic legal identity.


"I say that a minimum level of autonomy - the abilities to desire, to act intentionally and to have some sense of self, whatever the species - is sufficient to justify the basic legal right to bodily integrity," he writes in the latest issue of Nature magazine.


"Such immunity rights as bodily integrity and freedom from slavery can belong to human children, infants, the very retarded, the profoundly senile and the insane," says Mr Wise, a lawyer from the Boston-based Center for the Expansion of Fundamental Rights.


Why then, he argues, should chimps, which are in some ways more sophisticated than human infants, lose out?


Drawing the line


Frankie Trull of the US National Association for Biomedical Research says the chimpanzee example is the "beginning of a slippery slope".


"What concerns us is the increasingly litigious nature of those who believe that no animal should be used for any reason," he told the Wall Street Journal.


Scientists are also concerned about the long-term implications.


"I can understand and agree with the scientific basis for it. My concern about it is, where do you draw the line?" said Professor Whiten.


He says it is not clear that just because chimpanzees are similar to us they necessarily suffer more than, for example, chickens, which are not like us.


Others say more research into animal cognition is necessary before rights can be assigned to them.


Chimpanzees are already protected by laws making it illegal to catch and kill them and some say that all that is needed is better implementation of the existing legislation on the ground.


The threat they face from science has subsided, with experimentation on great apes banned in several countries, including the United Kingdom.


Breeding of chimpanzees for research was stopped in the United States in 1997. However, around 1,500 chimpanzees remain in captivity and available for experimentation.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: activists; animal; characteristics; chimpanzee; collaboratory; identity; legal
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1 posted on 05/29/2002 3:23:28 PM PDT by vannrox
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another attorney with too much free time and not enough billable hours.
2 posted on 05/29/2002 3:25:11 PM PDT by troublesome creek
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To: vannrox
I thought all lawyers where chimps!!! Hey what is going on here???
3 posted on 05/29/2002 3:26:15 PM PDT by bescobar
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To: vannrox
Among the rights chimps might be granted are the right to life

They'd end up having more rights than unborn humans.

4 posted on 05/29/2002 3:29:12 PM PDT by My2Cents
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When this comes to pass, I am moving to France with the Baldwins.
5 posted on 05/29/2002 3:29:33 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: bescobar
of course not all primates are literate either!! I meant "were"
6 posted on 05/29/2002 3:31:37 PM PDT by bescobar
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To: AdA$tra
Actually, this is one of those ideas that sounds bad when proposed but might be a good thing if implemented. Imagine a bunch of lawyers locked in a room during a deposition with a couple of chimps. At the least the lawyers will probably come out of there smelling pretty bad, what with the propensity of monkeys to throw feces when they are upset, which is pretty often.

Now, just speaking personally, I would pay good money to see a room full of lawyers being pelted with monkey turds by a couple of screaming, out of control apes. That would truly be a sight worth seeing.

7 posted on 05/29/2002 3:33:45 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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I might have mentioned this before, but in Africa Chimps are considered quite the delicacy. Chopped up with a little lemon and onions, it goes right along with the smaller simmians like baboon which is a bit like rancid chile verde.

No chimp deserves as mch right as my dog!!!

8 posted on 05/29/2002 3:35:36 PM PDT by bescobar
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Imagine a bunch of lawyers locked in a room during a deposition with a couple of chimps.

PETA wouldn't allow this cruelty to the chimps.

9 posted on 05/29/2002 3:38:43 PM PDT by gubamyster
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i can just see the trailer on animal planet. " tonight when coco kills his abusive captor its up to john smith to save him from the death chamber" on the next episode of monkey attorney's"
10 posted on 05/29/2002 3:39:38 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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I saw this coming five years ago. I see this as the camel's nose in the tent for eventually trying to make vegetarianism mandatory. If animals have rights comparable to human rights, killing them would of course be prohibited. Right now they are talking about chimps, but in a few years they'll be talking about all animals. And they will scoff at this as alarmist and ridiculous, even as they plan it, just as abortion proponents scoffed back in the 1960's when abortion opponents said allowing abortion in some circumstances would lead to a call for abortion on demand. Similarly, in the early 1990's gay activists scoffed when conservatives claimed that "domestic partnership" laws were being used to pave the way for demands for gay marriage. "We have no such plans, that is ridiculous!" they said.
11 posted on 05/29/2002 3:41:58 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: bescobar
I understand why some might feel chimps deserve a lawyer... 98.7% is pretty close. The real question is, do liberals deserve lawyers? Does 97.8% count as well?

Ari

12 posted on 05/29/2002 3:42:08 PM PDT by Krafty123
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To: vannrox
Just when you thought you have seen everything someone comes up with a new more creative way to channel your money into someone else's pocket.
13 posted on 05/29/2002 3:44:26 PM PDT by Chuckster
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Another new make over for Chelsea?

14 posted on 05/29/2002 3:44:54 PM PDT by gubamyster
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The natural insane byproduct from all those who think we evolved from monkeys.
15 posted on 05/29/2002 3:45:03 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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After seeing this person's thought processes, I'm convinced chimps are more deserving of attornies than they are.

Of course this would open Pandora's box and lead to total caos. Once again that word pops it's ugly head over the threashhold.

16 posted on 05/29/2002 3:45:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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Maybe the chimp lawyers will demand reparations from all of the Africans who "profited" from the use of chimps. Maybe they'll demand that Africans give back the "occupied lands" of Africa to the chimps also.
17 posted on 05/29/2002 3:47:45 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AriOxman
Okay, here is my plan.

I think we need to call these PETA people what they are...racist. See, the mixed cultures that make up my background (Anglo/Hispanic) consider meat as part of our culture and long tradition. I consider any assault on my family of rancheros and farmers and assault on my race. I hate racist and those who would attack my family history. All PETA people are racist.

See my logic, I'll just call them racist whenever there in my face and threaten to sew them for a hate crime.

18 posted on 05/29/2002 3:48:49 PM PDT by bescobar
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To: bescobar
Chopped up with a little lemon and onions...

Add a little garlic and you've got a great recipe for lawyers too.

19 posted on 05/29/2002 3:49:16 PM PDT by metesky
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I had to make sure this didn't originate from BSNN or some other humorous site. Sadly, this story will probably get legs and these whackos won't go away quietly.

I'm not monkeying around when I say, watch out for this to hit big in public schools. The bleeding hearts know about kids tender hearts and how to indoctrinate. They're aiming for the next generation to pass their extremist laws.
20 posted on 05/29/2002 3:50:32 PM PDT by demkicker
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