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JUDGE FINDS AMISH GUILTY!
AP Wire | June 6, 2002 | DAN LEWERENZ

Posted on 06/06/2002 1:29:17 PM PDT by NYer

EBENSBURG, Pa. (AP) _ A judge ruled an ultraconservative Amish congregation must use orange-and-red reflective triangles on their buggies, symbols the group says violate their beliefs against gaudy decorations and against placing their faith in man-made symbols before God.

Donna Doblick, the Pittsburgh attorney representing the Swartzentruber Amish for free, said she'll appeal the ruling to Pennsylvania Superior Court. That means the $95 fines assessed to 20 sect members for failing to use the slow-moving vehicle symbols will be held in abeyance until the appeal is heard.

Also, the Swartz'ntruber, who said they'll leave Pennsylvania if they lose the case, will likely remain near Nicktown, about 65 miles east of Pittsburgh, while the appeal is heard, Doblick said. Instead of the triangles, the Swartzentruber prefer to use a gray reflective tape and a lantern on the rear of their buggies. The gray tape is legal in nine states for use on slow moving vehicles, including Ohio, where the sect lived until two years ago.

But Cambria County Judge Timothy Creany ruled that the state can abridge the Swartzentruber's religious beliefs because it has a ``compelling interest'' _ namely, keeping the Amish and other vehicles safe on public roads. Creany relied on testimony given last month by state transportation experts, who said the triangles are more visible than the tape during thE dqy _ when statistics show about 61 percent of all vehicle-buggy accidents occur.

Doblick said those statistics don't prove anything, however, because they don't show how the accidents occurred or who was at fault. ``There's no evidence any of those crashes were from the rear (where the reflective symbols are mounted on buggies), or a lack of visibility,'' Doblick said. ``There's no evidence that any of those crashes could have been prevented by bathing the vehicle in color.''

The Cambria County District Attorney's Office didn't immediately return calls for comment on the decision.

AP-ES-06-06-02 1606EDT


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: New York; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: amish; carriages; reflectors
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1 posted on 06/06/2002 1:29:17 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tick Tock
I grew up near Lancaster County PA, where many Amish live. They don't bother anybody. If you are driving along one of the roads where they are driving their buggies, you have to be going at a pretty good clip to get tangled up with one of them. Leave them alone.
3 posted on 06/06/2002 1:39:10 PM PDT by speedy
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To: NYer
Heh Heh Heh Heh He said "Swartz'ntruber".
4 posted on 06/06/2002 1:40:40 PM PDT by Lost Highway
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To: speedy
Depends on the roads. It's easy to come up behind a buggy without knowing it. For those who don't know, almost all Amish put the triangles on their buggies. Amish don't have bright colors because such things count as adornments, and the triangles hardly count there. There used to be such a thing as "black bumper Mennonites". They were folks of one of the more conservative Mennonite sects who painted their bumpers when chrome was in vogue.

If they don't want to have the triangles, then don't drive on public roads.

5 posted on 06/06/2002 1:44:28 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: NYer
Perhaps the Amish folks involved here can pay their fine in butter.

You know, I've been wondering when someone was going to pay attention to this national buggy crisis. Everyone knows it has reached a critical mass and had to be dealt with. But what I really want to know is - were the cops who pulled these folks over to ticket them profiling? Is this really just a problem of driving while Amish?

6 posted on 06/06/2002 1:44:48 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: NYer
Perhaps you don't know this, but there is an FR rule that I am pinged to ALL Amish threads.

Well, not really, but there should be.

7 posted on 06/06/2002 1:45:27 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: anniegetyourgun
Driving while clothed in black.
8 posted on 06/06/2002 1:46:35 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: anniegetyourgun
LOL!!!!

If we do not stop them now we will see triangle-less buggies here in Metro Atlanta. Stop wasting our precious resources on fanatical muslims.....this must be stopped!

9 posted on 06/06/2002 1:49:57 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I think Bush called a press conference tonight to address this very issue. This is really a job for Homeland Security.
10 posted on 06/06/2002 1:57:08 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I feel safer. /sarcasm
11 posted on 06/06/2002 2:00:55 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: AmishDude
Perhaps you don't know this, but there is an FR rule that I am pinged to ALL Amish threads.

You mean there's more than one?

I can't remember if my grandparents' Amish neighbors would ask to borrow the car or just get a ride in the car. I wonder how common that is.

12 posted on 06/06/2002 2:01:06 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: AmishDude
Do you know what goes: clip-clop, clip-clop, bang, clip-clop, clip-clop?
13 posted on 06/06/2002 2:03:04 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: NYer


14 posted on 06/06/2002 2:05:55 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Mr. Lucky
Amish drive-by...
15 posted on 06/06/2002 2:06:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: NYer
I'm originally from Western PA near the area this case originates... the Amish usually mind their own business and are even civil [if not polite] the idiots who insist on taking photos of them.

For most things, I'd say to leave them alone.

However, if they want to run their buggies on the public roads, they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

There aren't a lot of street lights in the PA countryside, the buggies are black and the horses dark brown.

In the heavily Amish areas, there are almost no lights (no electric, no indoor plumbing, etc.)... which makes it really dark on the country roads -- which is what most of PA is.

If this is a religious issue to them, they should follow their convictions to the logical conclusion and stay off the public roads.... which were made by machines and have reflectors.

16 posted on 06/06/2002 2:06:57 PM PDT by dfrussell
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To: Tick Tock
"I am thanking thee..."

The Amish Rakefighting Championship

17 posted on 06/06/2002 2:07:00 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Mr. Lucky
No, what?
18 posted on 06/06/2002 2:07:21 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
A drive-by shooting in Lancaster County.
19 posted on 06/06/2002 2:09:55 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
I knew a wild Amish guy: He liked to party like it was 1699... Also: He hid magazines in his top drawer of girls without their bonnets!!!
20 posted on 06/06/2002 2:15:24 PM PDT by trevorjohnson
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