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To: jlogajan
"Doesn't that mean that 2/3rds of the victims are female. Ha ha ha ha ha. Nice homobashing that blows up in the homophobes face."

You miss the point entirely. Since 97% of males are hetrosexual, you would expect, all things being equal, that 97% of the victims would be female. What this study purports to show is that since one third of the victims are male, then the 3% of the population of adult males who are homos account for one third (33.3%) of the victims - ie. male homos account for a vastly disproportionate amount of child molestation. The author obviously assumes that female molestation is so rare that its impact on these statistics is negligable; I don't know if that's true or not. But, if you accept his data and assumtions as true, then it paints a picture of male homosexuals as much more likely than their heto counterparts to be child molestors.

15 posted on 06/08/2002 10:26:50 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: joebuck
But, if you accept his data and assumtions as true, then it paints a picture of male homosexuals as much more likely than their heto counterparts to be child molestors.

If you accept his data -- then it means MALES are more likely than FEMALES to be molestors. Should we banish MALES then?

17 posted on 06/08/2002 10:29:04 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: joebuck; jlogajan
jlogajan is a known liberal disruptor. He is homosexual, pro-abortion, pro-drug use, pro-pornography and very rabidly anti-morality and anti-Christian ect..

I don't know why he is here on free republic, but he is here and he always appears on the Sodmite threads to try to defend the indefenseable.

The fact is, in every civilized culture, Homosexuality has been regarded as a crime. It is a violation of natural law.

Homosexuals traditionally were prosecuted if their lifestyle were made known, until the 1960's their agenda was not tolerated, but the drugged up hippies with their "Free love" agenda embraced sodomites and we have had it pushed on us ever since.

According to settled law, Homosexual conduct is a protected right.

"The Constitution does not confer a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy. None of the fundamental rights announced in this Court's prior cases involving family relationships, marriage, or procreation bear any resemblance to the right asserted in this case. And any claim that those cases stand for the proposition that any kind of private sexual conduct between consenting adults is constitutionally insulated from state proscription is unsupportable. " The United States Supreme Court in BOWERS v. HARDWICK, 478 U.S. 186 (1986) 478 U.S. 186.

Every single colony had an anti-sodomy law in 1791 when our nation was first beginning. Later in 1868, every single state, and territory had a criminal sodomy law.

Homosexuality was simply not tolerated by our nation.

This principle goes back far beyond American History. The foundations of Civilization have always forbid this activity because it is known to be damaging to society and morality, without morality, no civilized nation can exist.

Below are the texts of two early english laws on homosexuality, one that was passed in 1553, and one that preceded it dating back to 1300AD.

"Forasmuch as there is not yet sufficient and condign punishment appointed and limited by the due course of the Laws of this Realm for the detestable and abominable Vice of Buggery committed with mankind of beast: It may therefore please the King's Highness with the assent of the Lords Spiritual and the Commons of this present parliament assembled, that it may be enacted by the authority of the same, that the same offence be from henceforth ajudged Felony and that such an order and form of process therein to be used against the offenders as in cases of felony at the Common law. And that the offenders being herof convict by verdict confession or outlawry shall suffer such pains of death and losses and penalties of their good chattels debts lands tenements and hereditaments as felons do according to the Common Laws of this Realme. And that no person offending in any such offence shall be admitted to his Clergy, And that Justices of the Peace shall have power and authority within the limits of their commissions and Jurisdictions to hear and determine the said offence, as they do in the cases of other felonies. This Act to endure till the last day. of the next Parliament" Buggery act of England 1553

Britton, i.10: "Let enquiry also be made of those who feloniously in time of peace have burnt other's corn or houses, and those who are attainted thereof shall be burnt, so that they might be punished in like manner as they have offended. The same sentence shall be passed upon sorcerers, sorceresses, renegades, sodomists, and heretics publicly convicted" English law forbidding sodomy dating back to 1300AD.

Even earlier was a law dating back to the times of the Roman Empire.

The Corpus Juris Civilis is the sixth-century encyclopedic collection of Roman laws made under the sponsorship of Emperor Justinian. "It is Justinian's collection which served as the basis of canon law (the law of the Christian Church) and civil law (both European and English)." (9) The following is a statement in Law French from Corpus Juris:

"'Sodomie est crime de majeste vers le Roy Celestre,' and [is] translated in a footnote as 'Sodomy is high treason against the King of Heaven.' At common law 'sodomy' and the phrase 'infamous crime against nature' were often used interchangeably."

To this day Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Virginia STILL HAVE CRIMINAL SODOMY STATUTES.

Here are links to some research that has been done is this area. It is very interesting.

The American Psychiatric Association ("APA") has for years debated the harmful effects of homosexuality. Apparently, the answer rests upon who makes the most noise and has the most supporters at the APA's annual meetings. For many years, the APA regarded homosexuality as a pathological mental disorder. However, in 1973, the APA voted to declassify homosexuality as a disorder.

"In 1970, ... gay activists confronted their tormenters at the [APA's] annual convention in San Francisco. They wanted to remove the characterization of homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder .... Irving Bieber, then the leading antigay psychiatrist, was laughed off the stage by gay protesters.... The crowd ... erupted in pandemonium at the conclusion of the [presentation]. While some psychiatrists clamored for air fare refunds, others called on the police to shoot the protestors.

"Dr. Kent Robinson, a psychiatrist, ... negotiated a panel at the 1971 APA convention, which would include gay representatives. Robinson contacted gay activist Frank Kameny to organize the panel. Despite securing an official panel at the 1971 convention in Washington, D.C., the activists ... continued to organize street protests. On May 3, 1971, gay activists stormed the stately Convocation of Fellows at the APA Convention, and Kameny seized the microphone to deliver a diatribe against the profession: 'Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you.' Gay activists later went on to conduct their panel. At the end of the convention, Kameny and his fellow panelists demanded that the APA revise its diagnostic manual to delete references to homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder.

"Two years later, after continued pressure from gay activists, ... the APA's Nomenclature Committee was poised to accept the change."

William N. Eskridge, Jr., Challenging the Apartheid of the Closet: Establishing Conditions for Lesbian and Gay Intimacy, Nomos, and Citizenship, 1961-1981, 25 Hofstra L. Rev. 817, 934-35 (1997).

Apparently, there is widespread bias among those researching the very area we are dealing with in this opinion -- the effects upon children of parents who practice homosexuality:

"This reticence [of the researchers] is most evident in analyses of sexual behavior and identity -- the most politically sensitive issue in the debate. Virtually all of the published research claims to find no differences in the sexuality of children reared by lesbigay parents and those raised by nongay parents -- but none of the studies that report this finding attempts to theorize about such an implausible outcome. Yet it is difficult to conceive of a credible theory of sexual development that would not expect the adult children of lesbigay parents to display a somewhat higher incidence of homoerotic desire, behavior, and identity than children of heterosexual parents."

Judith Stacey & Timothy J. Biblarz, (How) Does the Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?, 66 Official Journal of the American Sociological Association 159, 163 (April 2001). Stacey & Biblarz are quite candid in their belief that homosexuality is a healthy and moral lifestyle.

"It is quite a different thing, however, to consider this issue a legitimate matter for social science research. Planned lesbigay parenthood offers a veritable 'social laboratory' of family diversity in which scholars could fruitfully examine not only the acquisition of sexual and gender identity, but the relative effects on children of the gender and number of their parents as well as of the implications of diverse biosocial routes to parenthood. ... To exploit this opportunity, however, researchers must overcome the hetero-normative presumption that interprets sexual differences as deficits, thereby inflicting some of the very disadvantages it claims to discover."

Stacey & Biblarz, supra, at 179. One prominent psychiatrist analyzed the APA's decision as follows:

"The APA could only take the action it did by disregarding and dismissing hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports that had been done on homosexuality over the previous two decades .... The APA ignored the science, and, for reasons that were nothing but political, 'cured' homosexuality by fiat."

Charles W. Socarides, Homosexuality: A Freedom Too Far 74 (Adam Margrave Books 1995). Thus began the "scientific" endorsement of homosexuality. There have even been attempts to prove that homosexuality is genetically determined. Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard's famous study of twins is one such attempt. J. Michael Bailey & Richard Pillard, A Genetic Study of Male Sexual Orientation, 48 Archives of General Psychiatry 1089, 1090 (1991). Commenting on Michael Bailey's study, Anne Fausto Stirling, a developmental biologist at Brown University, criticized: "It's such badly interpreted genetics." D. Gelman et al., Homosexuality: Genetic Aspects, Newsweek, Feb. 24, 1992, at 46.

See, e.g., Theo G. M. Sandfort et al., Same-Sex Sexual Behavior and Psychiatric Disorders, 58 Archives of General Psychiatry 85, 88 (table) (Jan. 2001) (homosexuals are three times more likely than heterosexuals to suffer from mood disorders); 58 Archives of General Psychiatry at 88 (table) (homosexuals are five times more likely to have suffered from bipolar disorder); J. Michael Bailey, Homosexuality and Mental Illness, 56 Archives of General Psychiatry 883, 884 (Oct. 1999); 58 Archives of General Psychiatry at 88 (table) (homosexuals are twice as likely to have suffered from major depression, neuroses, eating disorders, and phobias within their lifetime). Council on Scientific Affairs, American Medical Association, Health Care Needs of Gay Men and Lesbians in the United States, 275 JAMA 1357 (1996); Joanne M. Hall, Lesbians Recovering from Alcohol Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Experiences, 43 Nursing Research 238 (1994); Anne H. Faulkner et al., Correlates of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior in a Random Sample of Massachusetts High School Students, 88 Am. J. of Pub. Health 262 (Feb. 1998) (homosexuals run a significantly greater risk for substance abuse); Curtis D. Proctor et al., Risk Factors for Suicide Among Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Youth, 39 Social Work 504 (Sept. 1994) (homosexuals run a much greater risk for suicide); Journal Watch, 31 Nation's Health 18 (July 2001) (reporting that homosexual youth were more than twice as likely to commit a violent crime and were at a higher risk of being attacked by others); and Gary Remafedi, Adolescent Homosexuality: Psychosocial and Medical Implications, 79 Pediatrics 331, 334 (March 1987) (noting that nearly one-half of all young homosexuals have been arrested, placed in juvenile detention or arraigned in juvenile court on at least one occasion).

Homosexual activists have proffered that many, if not all, of the mental problems associated with homosexuals are not due to homosexuality; rather, they argue, these problems are due to a "homophobic" and "intolerant" society. Eskridge, supra, 75 N.Y.U. L. Rev. at 1378. However, recent studies appear to contradict this proposal. See 18 Harvard Mental Health Letter 4 (Aug. 2001) (reporting that in the Netherlands, "a country that is especially tolerant of homosexuality," homosexuals continue to exhibit a much higher incidence of mental health problems).

Certain sociologists seem to have no compunction encouraging such experiments or "natural laboratories":

"When researchers downplay the significance of any findings of differences [between heterosexual and homosexual parents], they forfeit a unique opportunity to take full advantage of the 'natural laboratory' that the advent of lesbigay-parent families provides for exploring the effects and acquisition of gender and sexual identity, ideology, and behavior."

Stacey & Biblarz, supra, at 162-63.

29 posted on 06/08/2002 11:43:43 AM PDT by FF578
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