Sawgrass Rebellion Launched

http://sawgrass.freedom.org/ ^ | Monday 22 July, 2002 | Sawgrass.Freedom.Org Staff

[brityank]

Sawgrass Rebellion Launched...

The Transformation of Florida

The Wildlands Project targeted Florida as a priority state to transform into its

vision of wilderness, more than ten years ago. The three maps show Florida in 1992 as 90-percent privately owned, and only 10-percent owned by government (represented in green). When the transformation is complete, 90-percent will be owned by the government, with only 10-percent remaining in private hands.

The center map shows what the Wildlands Project expected the government/private land distribution to be in 2002. They were pretty accurate in their projections. If the Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan is imposed, South Florida will become the green area shown on the center map.

Other projects throughout the state, especially in the Jacksonville area, and the central part of the state, have acquired land for wilderness corridors and additional core wilderness (green) areas.

Private land owners are being forced off their land by a variety of coersive land-use policies, being imposed under the banner of "Everglades Restoration," endangered species protection, open space, Heritage areas, and a host of other programs, all designed to displace people, or severely restrict the use of private property.

While this initiative has been underway nationwide for more than a decade, the intrusion into South Florida is becoming the last straw - as far as the affected land owners are concerned.

Cries for help from the people in South Florida were heard by the Paragon Foundation in Alamogordo, New Mexico, which agreed to help organize a national campaign to help stop the transformation of Florida, and indeed, the transformation of the nation.

Meeting in Nashville, Tennessee on July 20, 2002, the third annual Freedom 21 Conference adopted the "Sawgrass Rebellion" as a priority project to launch its national plan of action to reverse the negative impacts of the Wildlands Project and and its counterpart - so-called "Smart Growth." Leaders from more than 50 grassroots organizatons in 34 states and two foreign countries were present, and adopted the project and the plan of action unanimously.

This web site reports the situation, and steps being taking to find alternatives that do not displace people, trample property rights, and destroy the dreams and lives of thousands of people.

Copyright (C) 2002 Freedom.org, All rights reserved

[AAABEST]

What measures has Governor Bush put into effect to help the Everglades?

Nothing. Unless you consider giving loads of money to private eviral orgs to wreak havoc on everyone around them "helping" anyone.

It's a giant money and power grab where the taxpayers own money is being used to screw them royally, nothing more nothing less. It doesn't preserve anyones water or help any animals, that's just the fuzzy line of crap that's been fed to a stupid public.

[sasquatch]

Will do; thanks, D.

[AuntB]

BUMP!!!!!

[brityank]

Your alarmist phrases have me wondering - what is this really about?

While they're not my phrases, I agree with most of the things eco-logic stands for, including most of this. I don't have a problem with restricted local control, but too much of the actions being foisted on the communities is straight out of the Agenda 21 playbook aided and abetted by the human-hating enviralist whacko organizations and government bureaucrats; and placing onerous burdens on private property and forcing owners into 'willing sellers' of their land for 'conservation'.

Put 'landgrab' into the search block, there's a lot of info around from across the land.

[Ms. AntiFeminazi]

Because the research I have read says FL has more privately owneds land than anywhere else in this country. Furthermore, Gov. Bush signed a new law to keep it that way.

summer, please post such research showing that FL has more privately owned lands than anywhere else in this country. Please post a link or the text of the new law Governor Bush signed wrt this topic. I have been asked to look into this and I'm just scratching the surface of it, but if you have that information handy, it would certainly be helpful to me. You are the only one I have seen who has made mention of a law signed by Gov. Bush.

[summer]

I have repeatedly posted about that new law, the Rural and Family Lands Protection Act, and posted the links from private property advocate organizations who applauded Gov Bush for passing this new law.

And, I have repeatedly posted links about the high percentage of privately owned land in FL, compared to other places, and repeatedly posted the links to other numerous acts Gov Bush has taken to protect private property owners -- all to a very undeservedly lackluster (and, in my opinion, unfair) ho-hum response by some FR posters - the ones who scream the loudest about gov abuses in this area, yet, have no time to applaud someone who actually has a substantial record in protecting private property rights.

But, for you, Ms. AntiFeminazi, I will gather all this information up yet again, and write an editorial where this info is collected again, with all the links. And, I do not mind doing it, but it will have to be in a few weeks when my computer is fixed from being struck by lightening. (I will ping you when I post this upcoming part of my on-going Jeb series.) :)

[summer]

Re your post #41 - just the fuzzy line of crap that's been fed to a stupid public.

The more I read from you on this issue, the less respect I have for your writing on it.

You really do a disservice by posting stuff like this, both to your own cause and to others interested in finding out more information. Why don't you do a search on the White House site and find all the "fuzzy lines of crap" put out by GW and the Army Corps of Engineers on this massive project? Or is that too much work for you? To actually DO some research? Instead of just constantly spewing your ignorance? For that, I could go to any one of dozens of Dem sites. I expect better from the posters on this one.

[summer]

And, BTW, I noticed you never acknowledged the point I made in my post #26 - that yes, even Henry Lamb, leader of this "rebellion," quietly says exactly what I have said -- the govt DOES have the legal right to take land, and, can be justified in doing so.

I think you are wasting so much valuable time. And, BTW, when it's too late, don't freepmail me then and ask for help. Write to Henry Lamb instead.

[summer]

I meant: my post #36

[Black Agnes]

Just don't complain when the govt wants YOUR land. OK? It's for the good of the many, right? Jeb would be proud!

[Ms. AntiFeminazi]

Thank you very much summer. I will continue to do my own research too. You may freepmail it to me if you'd rather not post it. Either way, I look forward to receiving the information. :-)

[summer]

My pleasure, and thanks for your patience, Ms. AntiFeminazi. It's been a real drag not having my regular computer. Also, I would much rather post the information in an editorial, so that it's all in one place for a change! :)

[ClaireSolt]

IMHO the scare about water supply is just another attempt to keep people scared. I grew up in Kansas which is tryly dry but we nwever had water rationing.

I have lived in Florida about five years. Everywhere I go there is water: ocean, lakes, canals etc. Only a government-controlled bureaucracy would count water a scarce resource, here. eliminate the government monopoly and see the desalizsation plants entrepreneurs would build.

But, oops, that might counteract some of the predictions of rising sea levels by the doomsayers. if we actually took water out of the sea.

Obviously, I have no patience with this nonsense!

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Sorry your patience is GONE. What will we do without you and your patience? You know little or nothing about the subject, so maybe it is best that you see lots of water, and your patience is exhausted. Now we are free to get on with it. Arkansas calls!

[AAABEST]

And, BTW, when it's too late, don't freepmail me then and ask for help.

I don't need any "help", but thank you anyway. I seek help from those who I feel have something useful to offer, you've made it perfectly clear you're choosing to be useless. The only people you're helping are the druid goons on their rise to power.

Do-goodies like you come out everytime a massive government initiative is announced to tell the rest of us what a great idea it is. The welfare state, social security, the EPA, Endangered Species, The Dept. of Education, the land grabs in the West, Medicare, etc. etc. Every damn time, ya'll come along with your goofey ideas on how this big government program really is what's needed to save us from ourselves.

Funny thing is when the rest of us are stuck with the fraudulent, abusive, counter productive failure that looked so good on paper, y'all get to just say "oops" while the rest of us bend over and continue to take it.

You should probably save your winded posts for someone else, as I'm not interested in your "research" on how it's just peachy to give tons of OUR money to eco-facists so they can empower themselves while completely failing at their phoney, contrived goal of saving a "fragile ecosystem".

[ClaireSolt]

O my, are you ever close-minded. I guess you like government scare-tactics and brainwashing. I don't.

[summer]

Re your post #55 - Thanks for your reply. Just a quick review -- my idea concerned a suggestion that you try to get the best deal you could possibly get. Sorry that is too much of a "do-goodie" idea for you.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

It is difficult to talk to someone who has their mind made up and doesn't want to be confused by any facts. It is not simply about drinking water or desalizination plants it is about an eccosystem that allows the Florida lifestyle, outside the condo, to exist.

Government doesn't intimidate or scare me any more than you do. Private Property can be translated into Private Land Developers when talking about FL land grabs. Hard to brainwash those who don't buy into the lies or the pc spin.

Having lived here 5 years doesn't qualify you as an expert on Florida. Although, if you read enough about it you could be an expert living in Boise. By the statements in your post I know you have no knowledge except the surface stuff you gleaned here, or in the Palm Beach news. Hardly unbiased information, Palm Beach, Ft. Laud or Miami News scources.

When you have an opinion based on reality and are interested in civil conversation about a very serious subject that most Floridians feel strongly about (they are in favor of cleaning up and restoring the Everglades, me included), we'll discuss it.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

You are out of line and exceptionally rude. Summer has done nothing but politely try to give benefit of research she has at her disposal. That you have other ideas does not
mean that rudeness is OK. Or that you are right. Do you talk like that to stangers in person? Or do you reserve this kind of rude behavior for the internet where you think you can get away with it?

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Just tell us, when was the last time any government agency anywhere wanted to take your land away from you, for any reason?