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Race Has No Meaning Genetically, Researchers Say
CNN.com Science/News | Tuesday, December 17,2002 | staff writer

Posted on 12/17/2002 9:27:02 AM PST by yankeedame

Race not reflected in genes, study says

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 Posted: 10:17 AM EST (1517 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The idea of race is not reflected in a person's genes, Brazilian researchers said, confirming what scientists have long said -- that race has no meaning genetically.

The Brazilian researchers looked at one of the most racially mixed populations in the world for their study, which found there is no way to look at someone's genes and determine his or her race. Brazilians include people of European, African and Indian, or Amerindian, descent.

"There is wide agreement among anthropologists and human geneticists that, from a biological standpoint, human races do not exist," Sergio Pena and colleagues at the Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais in Brazil and the University of Porto in Portugal wrote in their report, published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

"Yet races do exist as social constructs," they said.

They found 10 gene variations that could reliably tell apart, genetically, 20 men from northern Portugal and 20 men from Sao Tome island on the west coast of Africa.

But the genetic differences did not have anything to do with physical characteristics such as skin or hair color, the researchers found.

They next tested two groups -- 173 Brazilians classified as white, black, or intermediate based on arm skin color, hair color, and nose and lip shape, and 200 men living in major metropolitan areas who classified themselves as white.

They used the 10 genetic markers that differed between people from Portugal and Africa, but found little difference among anyone in their study.

To their surprise, they found maternal DNA suggested that even the "white" people had, on average, 33 percent of genes that were of Amerindian ancestry and 28 percent African.

This suggested European men often fathered children with black and Indian women.

"It is interesting to note that the group of individuals classified as blacks had a very high proportion of non-African ancestry (48 percent)," they wrote.

"In essence our data indicate that, in Brazil as a whole, color is a weak predictor of African ancestry," they concluded.

"Our study makes clear the hazards of equating color or race with geographical ancestry and using interchangeably terms such as white, Caucasian and European on one hand, and black, Negro or African on the other, as is often done in scientific and medical literature."


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To: Bluntpoint
"Jesus loves the little children, if their mommy and daddy are the same race."

In the OT, they were required to marry within their own tribe. I don't know if Mary and Joseph were of the same tribe or not.

Don't know how to fit it all together.

41 posted on 12/17/2002 10:13:54 AM PST by Aliska
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To: moron
Changes take place over thousands of years.
42 posted on 12/17/2002 10:14:06 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: yankeedame
"Race Has No Meaning Genetically, Researchers Say"

Maybe not, but culture certainly does have meaning, lots and lots of it.

43 posted on 12/17/2002 10:14:24 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: yankeedame
It seems obvious to me that race is a concept people have made up. I'm not sure what one would look for if one were looking for a genitic meaning for race. The whole concept of genetics runs counter to the idea of race as some sort of fundamental aspect of nature.
44 posted on 12/17/2002 10:15:33 AM PST by MattAMiller
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To: Aliska
"In the OT"

Adam and Eve were the genentic father and mother to us all.
45 posted on 12/17/2002 10:15:56 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: moron
Climate, hunting requirements, prenatal and neonatal nutrition, etc.
46 posted on 12/17/2002 10:17:09 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: MissAmericanPie
No kidding. You could be MissChineseFriedRice.
47 posted on 12/17/2002 10:17:23 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: babygene
Is the difference in breeds of dogs or cats the same as different races in humans? Would you be able to tell the breed of a dog from it's genes?

The closest analogy to dogs' genetics and human racial differences is that humans are all beagles with differing varieties of spots, fur coloration, length of tail, length of nose, length of hair, but all recognizable as beagles. There is greater genetic difference between a scottish terrier and a border terrier than there is between me and a african pigmy. My son is most likely to be a six-foot white guy rather than a four-foot black guy but they could marry each other's sisters and produce some five-foot tall brown children.

49 posted on 12/17/2002 10:21:40 AM PST by Tis The Time''s Plague
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To: Bluntpoint
Buwahahahaha
50 posted on 12/17/2002 10:22:48 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: moron
I bred my beagle with a pitbull.

Now all the puppies do is sit in front of the TV and watch Bugs Bunney and WWF.
51 posted on 12/17/2002 10:23:16 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
"What about pretty and ugly?"

Pretty, good; ugly, bad.
52 posted on 12/17/2002 10:24:04 AM PST by widowithfoursons
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To: widowithfoursons
This is hogwash as much so as Boas' anthropology. Yet the superstitious will go on a rampage of poltical correctness and go look for dissenters, happy to tie someone to the stake out of sheer moral fanaticism.
53 posted on 12/17/2002 10:24:33 AM PST by junta
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To: Bluntpoint
That is true, but the Israelites were commanded to marry only within their own tribes. It's right in the OT.
54 posted on 12/17/2002 10:25:15 AM PST by Aliska
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To: widowithfoursons
Is that why my kids are always coming up and kicking me in the shins? They blame me for their sorry looks?
55 posted on 12/17/2002 10:26:38 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Aliska
After Adam an Eve, when tribes?
56 posted on 12/17/2002 10:27:55 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: junta
Well, I admit that my brain cells are not what they once were, but I don't get your point. BTW, did you mean Boaz?
57 posted on 12/17/2002 10:28:26 AM PST by widowithfoursons
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To: yankeedame
Hmmmm. For some reason this sounds like B.S.
58 posted on 12/17/2002 10:29:43 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Bluntpoint
HEEEEEEHEEEEEEEEEE!. My kids are too good looking for their own good. And that's about the ONLY thing they haven't kicked me in the shins for!
59 posted on 12/17/2002 10:31:18 AM PST by widowithfoursons
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To: Bluntpoint
What do a black man and white women give birth to?

A woman, black or white, gives birth to a baby.

Men, black or white, do not usually give birth to anything.

Hank

60 posted on 12/17/2002 10:31:31 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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