[fortheDeclaration]

" Here is Spurgeon talking about our lives drawing someone to God, when it is (according to Calvinism) only God that can do that!" That's pretty weak FTD; no calvinist here has alluded that we cannot be tools in the Lord's hands. You want it to be you, while Calvinists admit that it is the Lord.

According to Calvinism nothing can draw a dead man anywhere! You guys love to have it both ways. How can a dead man be drawn anywhere? God has to first regenerate them! Isn't that you all teach! No unregenerate man can desire or seek God-period.

Spurgeon wons souls because he presented the Gospel as an appeal to the sinner to make a decision, not to wait for God to regenerate him.

[Revelation 911]

According to Calvinism nothing can draw a dead man anywhere! You guys love to have it both ways. How can a dead man be drawn anywhere? God has to first regenerate them! Isn't that you all teach! No unregenerate man can desire or seek God-period.

wait a minute, wait a minute ! - Armommy said A thinking reprobate can read and understand the principles. He can even understand what they mean.

But scripture tells us only a believer can understand scripture. It begs, if a "thinking reprobate" can "understand" the calvinist "principle", then is it actually scriptural, or a man made construct?

Either (yes it is spelled that way) Armommy is right and the Calvinists wrong or (in my best Monty Python voice) shes "a witch" ;) - and how do we know shes a witch? Shes turned me into a newt when she questioned my salvation.

I got better.

But either the calvin position floats, or Armommys position floats (like a wooden "tree stump") as one of them is heretical. What else also floats besides small pebbles, and strawberries.

A duck you say.

Precisely !

- if she weighs the same as a duck, then shes a heretic to Christs teaching (at least in the calvinist eye)

We dub you "Armomian" :-)

has anyone seen my paxil?

[editor-surveyor]

"According to Calvinism nothing can draw a dead man anywhere!"

You really don't 'get it' do you?

We mortals have no way to know who is elect and who is not, thus your post is nonsense. - The Lord will do as he will, and if we are his tools, so be it.

The mortal mind cannot know the nature of God; you presume far too much. - Take his word at it's literal face value and you cannot go wrong.

[Wrigley]

According to Calvinism nothing can draw a dead man anywhere!

ftd, are you saying God is nothing? You'd better watch what you say. It looks like you are leaning on a weak fence overlooking a deep ravine.

[the_doc]

Spurgeon wons souls because he presented the Gospel as an appeal to the sinner to make a decision, not to wait for God to regenerate him.

I realize that you don't like for me to post to you, but you evidently need some help here, and I am willing to try again.

Spurgeon's position and approach are the Calvinists' position and approach. Spurgeon was not better than a Calvinist. He was a Calvinist. His preaching is completely typical of Calvinistic evangelism.

If you ever grasp what we are saying, you will grasp what we are saying, of course. But if you fail, it will be your failure, not ours.