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To: Elsie
Select many - reject few........ is that better?
No, it isn't. It presumes something God didn't tell us, that is the number of people who are saved. It is better to say that He selected as many or as few as His sovereignty willed and passed over as many or as few as His sovereignty willed. He's God. He can do what He wants. He would still be just if He passed over all of us.
19 posted on 05/25/2002 9:11:52 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2; Winston Churchill
. He would still be just if He passed over all of us.

I disagree at this point. It would make him apathetic, not just, to pass over all of us. Apathy is unjust....a mere few steps away from negligence if you wish to consider the law.

However, I also acknowledge that you're simply trying to emphasize our unworthiness....which I agree with.

The list of church fathers above seems to really lock in the proper interpretation of the scripture. On all sides, the case for a biblical unlimited atonement is resoundingly conclusive.

21 posted on 05/25/2002 9:22:48 PM PDT by xzins
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To: DittoJed2
It presumes something God didn't tell us, that is the number of people who are saved.


1. There are a LOT of things that "GOD didn't tell us".

2. We mere mortals 'presume' about ALL kinds of things: the biggest being that the way WE think, as individuals, and then, as a group of similar thinking folks, that OUR veiwpoint is RIGHT.


As for GOD not telling us, what about that 'sand on the shore thing'?
Genesis 22:17
I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore.

How about 'Many are called but few are chosen'?

And, 'Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.' (Matthew 7:13-14)




Ephesians 3:20-21
20. Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us,
21. to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

So, let each of us go and worship GOD today and thank Him for being clay. Praise Him for being able to save us through HIS power, and not how we perceive that Power.

I am fully convinced that Calvinists, Arminians, ETC will get that answer we so want to prove to the OTHER guy, when we see Him face to face!

For it is faith from beginning to end: faith that He WILL do what He has promised.


Let us pray for the safety of our present men and women in harms way, while giving thanks to (and for) our veterns of the past, that relied on their faith, to give us the nation we have today.

Let us, as conservatives (of all stripes) do OUR part to keep it......

...one nation, under GOD, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
Amen
30 posted on 05/26/2002 5:55:35 AM PDT by Elsie
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