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To: xzins
BTTT
5 posted on 05/25/2002 7:12:25 AM PDT by maestro
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To: maestro, vmatt, Corin Stormhands; fortheDeclaration; winstonchurchill; ShadowAce; P-Marlowe...
ftD, on the thread "Jesus Died for All, Not Just for a Select Few," we have a calvinist proving an unlimited atonement beyond a reasonable doubt. It was a nice touch having a calvinist DISPROVE point 3 of the tulip construct.

1. T - Everyone's flippin' crazy and corrupt.
2. U - God's picks some for heaven and some for hell.
3. L - Then he died ONLY for the ones he picked.
4. I - Then he forced them on the busride to heaven.
5. P - And he ain't lettin' any of 'em off 'til they get there.

Given their system, it makes sense SINCE he picked some for heaven and some for hell, that he dies ONLY for those that he picked for heaven.

But now we got a calvinist saying that ACTUALLY the bible DOES SAY that Jesus died for EVERYONE.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why God would die for someone he provided no remedy to; someone he would unerringly throw into hell ... with no hope that that could be changed. That doesn't make sense....outside of God being schizoid.

It makes sense if he died for those he had some hope for. And since the c'vist scholar I quoted says Jesus died for all, then that only makes sense if EVERYONE has a fair and equal shot at a real, unprogrammed hope.

7 posted on 05/25/2002 5:40:32 PM PDT by xzins
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