Posted on 01/25/2005 2:58:28 PM PST by csbyrnes84
The people have been leaving the Novus Ordo, a Mass Commitment and Exodus of those fence sitting Bishops and Priests could start a core group to take back our Churches and Cathedrals.
If the Novus Ordo Bishops can dictate their "Happy Hour" "Group Picnic" lead by the "Pedophlia and Homosexual Rite", then we can conduct the Tridentine Mass in our Cathedrals and Churches. The Tridentine Mass has not been outlawed by Rome. We can conduct our the Liturgy and Catechism according to Pre Vatican II laws and traditions.
Want to demonstrate that this is a 'heresy'?
Anytime you want. You start that thread like a big boy.
The establishment of Catholicism as the national religion is forbidden by our constitution, and Catholicism as a "state religion" is the very thing the concept of the Kingship of Christ advocates.
Is Michael Jenky?
Although Bishop Myers had granted permission to Father Michael Driscoll, the pastor of Saint Mary’s Church in Rock Island, Illinois, to offer the Traditional Latin Mass on a daily basis, that permission was revoked by Myers’s successor, Bishop Michael Jenky, who demoted Father Driscoll to the post of an assistant hospital chaplain at Saint Francis Hospital in Peoria.
Nothing's ever good enough for you trads, it seems. The fact is that the Vatican does not support as an ideal the separation of Church and State. You guys can say that all you want, but it just isn't true.
We don't do that anymore. Nice lip service text... too bad the actions aren't there to back it up.
Talk all you want, but they are.
Christian spirit? This ambiguous word can mean just about anything anyone wants it to.
Do you also condemn all the preconciliar Magisterial documents which use the term "Christian spirit"? Pius XII says (Allocution on Oct. 5, 1957):
History shows that from the Church's earliest days laymen have taken part in the activity which the priest carries out in the service of the Church, and today more than ever they must cooperate with greater and greater fervor "for building up the Body of Christ" (Ephesians 4 :12) in all forms of the apostolate, especially by making the Christian spirit penetrate all family, social, economic, and political life.
No, this isn't anything close to a reaffirmation of the Catholic doctrine
Certainly it is - and the citations to Immortale Dei and Quas Primas prove it.
Is Father Sretenovic under obedience to Michael Jenky?
Tell you what. Put your money where your mouth is.
Run for office on the platform that society needs to be Catholic.
Let us know how you do.
That's correct. Nothing short of the up-front, accurate, no-holds-barred reiteration of Catholic dogma is good enough.
Guilty as charged.
And if you're not a trad, you should be. Get that way.
"The fact is that the Vatican does not support as an ideal the separation of Church and State. You guys can say that all you want, but it just isn't true."
On the books, and for show, ambiguously and mealmouthed, specifically tailored so as to be a means of being held harmless? Right. But in practice, it ain't happening.
"Do you also condemn all the preconciliar Magisterial documents which use the term "Christian spirit"? Pius XII says (Allocution on Oct. 5, 1957):
History shows that from the Church's earliest days laymen have taken part in the activity which the priest carries out in the service of the Church, and today more than ever they must cooperate with greater and greater fervor "for building up the Body of Christ" (Ephesians 4 :12) in all forms of the apostolate, especially by making the Christian spirit penetrate all family, social, economic, and political life."
No. But I'm sure you'll work hard to make it look like I do.
The quoted text was weak. It doesn't really want to tell the truth.
The truth is this: the Catholic Church is supposed to govern all human society.
I'm way ahead of you.
Here's my campaign slogan:
Vote Monarchist. Make your last vote count.
Bwahahaha! lol.
Is Michael Jenky under obedience to the Pope?
Why do you only go after traditional prelates and ignore the disobedience within the Novus Ordo?
"Want to demonstrate that this is a 'heresy'?"
Want to explain how the Catholic faith can "subsist" in false religions? The Modernists change "consist" to "subsist", which denies the requirement of being a member of the Catholic church to be saved, as I will quote the end of The Athanasian Creed: "This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved."
So how can the Church "subsist" in a religion that is outside of the only true religion where salvation can be attained?
The State, out of regard for the traditional Catholic sentiment of the Colombian nation, considers the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman religion as a fundamental element of the common good, and of the integral development of the national community. (1975 Concordat with Colombia, art. 1)In the name of the Most Holy Trinity ... The Catholic, Apostolic, Roman religion continues to be the religion of the Dominican Nation and will enjoy the rights and prerogatives which pertain to it in conformity with Divine Law and Canon Law. (unrevoked Concordat with the Dominican Republic, art. 1)
According to Fr. Harrison:
John Courtney Murray: A Reliable Interpreter of Dignitatis Humanae?And in the case of both Colombia and the Dominican Republic this national recognition of Catholicism further contravenes the norms advocated by Murray, in that it certainly has "juridical consequences": Catholicism is to enjoy a favoured legal status in regard to marriage legislation, public education, the designation of public holidays, the civil status of clergy, and other areas of the national life.78
78. Cf. AAS 67 (1975), pp. 423-434; AAS 46 (1954), pp. 435-457.
I cannot now find the passage in the Gospels, but Christ did not demand blind obedience to the letter of the law. Rather He demanded an understanding of, love for, and following of the "spirit" of the law.
Mere random quotes - some out of context - to justify the brutality of our Bishops - is pointless.
Of the brutality of our apostate bishops in this country, a good orthodox priest friend of mine-forced out of the NO priesthood by "Cardinal" Egan - used this very apt quote from the Gospel of St. Matthew:
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter."
Remember - what is in Sacred Scripture is both in - and out of time. the scribes and pharisees are not merely a bunch of dead Jewish temple authorities. They are also the clergy of this day as well.
Indeed: praised be Jesus Christ! That a priest has listened to the voice of the Holy Ghost, and has eschewed modernism, and all the excesses of Vatican II - and the NO - and has committed himself to truly "priesting" his people. In the totality of Catholic Doctrine, Worship, and Tradition.
May Our Lady keep him in her tender care, and give him the graces neceesary to give himself completely for Christ in his sacerdotal vocation.
My only disappointment is that he has chosen not to remain in the Northeast - where we sorely need more of his kind. But may he be a blessing to those whom he serves!
If it works, do it.
There you go again with your Modernist re-renderings of Catholic dogma.
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