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Another Diocesan Priest Rejects Novus Ordo
The Remnant ^ | 1/31/05 | Thomas A. Droleskey, Ph.D.

Posted on 01/25/2005 2:58:28 PM PST by csbyrnes84

Father Paul Sretenovic, a priest of the Archdiocese of Newark, New Jersey, who was ordained to the priesthood in 2002, has abandoned the Novus Ordo in order to embrace Catholic Tradition without compromise. Father Sretenovic (pronounced Stre-ten-o-vich) informed his ordinary, the Most Reverend John Myers, the Archbishop of Newark, of his decision in a letter mailed to his Excellency’s home address on the Feast of the Holy Innocents, Wednesday, December 28, 2004:

“Your Excellency: I am writing to inform you of my decision to leave the Archdiocese of Newark. It is a decision that is eighteen months in the making, and it has finally come to a head. This archdiocese, while retaining some very good priests, is, like every other diocese in the Catholic Church today, plagued by the heresy of modernism in many different forms. I recently attended a Monday afternoon of Reflection at Southmont with the Opus Dei priests and listened as one of them said that we are not looking to return to Christendom. To me, that said it all. It is not just about the Latin Mass. It is something much, much deeper, and it is the basis of my decision. Pope Pius XI in his encyclical, Quas Primas, said that Jesus Christ is not only the Lord of every individual, but also of every human society. The Syllabus of Errors of Blessed Pius IX, #77, in particular, exposes the error of separation of Church and State, a doctrine now upheld by the Vatican as the ideal, using both the Second Vatican Council’s Declaration on Religious Liberty, which could very easily have been called the Declaration of Religious Liberty (reference to our Declaration of Independence intended), as well as individual decisions from the Vatican to accelerate such a separation in what were otherwise thoroughly Catholic countries, such as, among others, Colombia, 98% Catholic. The orientation of the Church is now very much in line with the principles of the French Revolution, namely liberty, fraternity, and equality. Hence, the mainstay catchwords from the Council—religious liberty, ecumenism, and collegiality. That is not a coincidence, and it is evil. The Liturgy is just one of the many lambs to be slaughtered along the way towards a Christian Democracy, which, to the dismay and shock of many in the Church, will lead directly to the worldwide takeover of Atheistic Communism, warned of indirectly by Our Lady of Fatima in 1917, and communicated by Sr. Lucia to the Catholic historian William Thomas Walsh in 1946. Russia has still not been consecrated, and she continues to spread her errors until one day, it will be too late. In the meantime, I choose to exercise my priesthood in the way intended by Almighty God, teaching sound doctrine and leading the flock by holiness of life, as St. Paul exhorted St. Timothy in his pastoral epistle.

“In the situation in which I am now, and basically in any Novus Ordo parish anywhere in the world, let alone this particular Archdiocese, I always have to watch my back and I always, at each and every Mass that I offer, have to compromise. Whether it is in the bad wording or bland prayers of the Sacramentary, or in the distribution of Communion in the hand, or in the virtually mandatory use of Extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, there is always something there to remind me, as the song goes, and it stops now. I pray to God and to Our Blessed Mother that you obtain the grace necessary to perceive the gravity of the present situation and to act accordingly. I include my email address below for further correspondence. I know this is a shock, but for me, even the FSSP would be a compromise. Haven’t we all done enough of that?! As people were looking East this Advent season, Our Lady was leading me to, go West. In Christ the King, Fr. Paul Branko Sretenovic.”

In an e-mail to this writer sent on January 9, 2005, Father Sretenovic explained the sequence of events after this point:

“To give you the backdrop of my correspondence with the Archbishop, he said that parts of what I wrote, without specifying, were ‘inaccurate’ and ‘unfair.’ I responded through the Vicar General for the time-being that what I wrote was not ‘inaccurate’ and ‘unfair.’ I then asked the question as to whether the Archbishop would say that Cardinal Ratzinger was either of the two, specifying the terms, when he wrote that through the Council, the Church had ‘come to terms with the principles of 1789.’ I left it at that and will write the Archbishop directly within the week.”

Father Sretenovic had determined quite clearly that he could no longer make any further compromises with a Mass that did not give God the full honor and glory that are His due and a pastoral approach to the problems of the world that was premised upon a rejection of a defined teaching of the Catholic Church, the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ, and an actual embrace of the errors of Modernity and Modernism.

Father Sretenovic did indeed head west, leaving Our Lady, Queen of Peace Church in Maywood, New Jersey, on Thursday, December 29, 2004, the Feast of Saint Thomas a Becket, to drive out to Our Lady Help of Christians Church in Garden Grove, California, joining Father Patrick J. Perez and Father Lawrence C. Smith in the offering of the Traditional Latin Mass and the totality of the Catholic Faith in all of its integrity to Catholics in one of the most liturgically revolutionary places in the whole Church, the Metropolitan Province of Los Angeles, California. Father Sretenovic distributed Holy Communion to the faithful at Our Lady Help of Christians on the Feast of the Holy Family on Sunday, January 9, 2005, saying, “I have never before felt like I did in my first Traditional giving of the Eucharist, or however you want to put it. It was awesome and I felt like a priest in a way that I haven't before. The formula is much better, not to mention the signing of the Cross, and the use of the paten for the Sacred Particles, AND the posture of the people with open mouths, heads tilted upwards like chicks eagerly welcoming their mother with the food that she is providing for them.” [He offered his first Traditional Latin Mass there on Sunday, January 16, 2005.]

Father Sretenovic, who was born on January 8, 1974, found his way to Our Lady Help of Christians within three months of meeting Father Perez at Father Nicholas Gruner’s Fatima conference in Glendale, California, at the end of September, 2004. Father Perez’s mother, Mrs. Margaret Perez, saw Father Sretenovic and told him that he had to meet her son, making sure that the two of them sat down for dinner after Father Perez’s talk at the conference. Father Sretenovic was impressed with Father Perez’s knowledge of the Faith and of the development of the Mass. Mr. John Vennari, the editor of Catholic Family News, also spoke to Father Sretenovic about the crisis in the Church and of the necessity of fleeing from the Novus Ordo structures. Seeds were being planted.

Father Sretenovic contacted this writer in early December of 2004, and a luncheon meeting was arranged in Wayne, New Jersey, following a First Friday Mass at Our Lady of Fatima Chapel in Pequannock, New Jersey, on December 3, 2004. This writer and his wife, to put it charitably, pummeled Father Sretenovic, asking him bluntly as to how long he could continue to give out Communion in the hand and continue to offer a Mass that less fully communicates the truths of the Catholic Faith and does not render God the full honor and glory that are His due. Father Sretenovic listened, particularly to Mrs. Droleskey’s heartfelt plea to give Our Lord and His flock unfettered access to the fullness of the Catholic Faith. Father Sretenovic promised to contact Fathers Perez and Smith. He also wrote fairly immediately to Father Stephen P. Zigrang, whose association with the Society of Saint Pius X prompted the soon-to-be promoted Archbishop of Galveston-Houston, the Most Reverend Joseph Fiorenza, a protégé of the late Joseph Cardinal Bernardin, to suspend him for an association with a “schismatic” group that, among other things, denied the “enduring validity of the Old Covenant God made with the people of Israel.”

Father Sretenovic carefully weighed his options, keeping in close contact with Father Lawrence C. Smith, who left the Diocese of Davenport, Iowa, on September 8, 2003. Father Sretenovic also had contact with priests in the Society of Saint Pius X, determining ultimately that it would be best for him to be with Fathers Perez and Smith in California. Father was most intent on placing himself in a situation where the gaps in his preparation for priestly ordination could be closed and he could concentrate on his own personal sanctification while offering Catholics the Immemorial Mass of Tradition. He arrived at his decision after a great deal of reflection and a bit of indecision, coming to the conclusion in the final analysis that he needed to make a clean break from the diocesan structure sooner rather than later, understanding that the faithful have a right in perpetuity to the Traditional Latin Mass, which can never be subject justly to any limitations or conditions by any bishop, including the Pope himself. Father Smith was most instrumental in helping Father Sretenovic to come to this decision, saying that “it was his call that put me over the edge. Within 20 minutes after my conversation with him, I was writing my letter” to Archbishop Myers.

Father Sretenovic was not heedless of the fact that his own ordinary, Archbishop Myers, though not a traditionalist himself, has been sympathetic to priests desirous of offering the Traditional Latin Mass. Father Sretenovic also understood, however, that the embrace of Tradition, while it starts with the Mass, involves quite fundamentally an embrace of the totality of the Catholic Faith without any taint of corruption by the novelties and errors of the past forty to forty-seven years. Father Sretenovic also knows that ordinaries come and go, a point demonstrated quite graphically when Bishop John Myers of Peoria, Illinois, was elevated to the archbishopric of Newark. Although Bishop Myers had granted permission to Father Michael Driscoll, the pastor of Saint Mary’s Church in Rock Island, Illinois, to offer the Traditional Latin Mass on a daily basis, that permission was revoked by Myers’s successor, Bishop Michael Jenky, who demoted Father Driscoll to the post of an assistant hospital chaplain at Saint Francis Hospital in Peoria. Father Sretenovic, understanding, as eight cardinals noted in a finding sent to Pope John Paul II in 1986, the binding nature of the Traditional Latin Mass can never be abrogated, did not want to subject himself to the vagaries of episcopal arbitrariness. He realized that he needed the stability offered by the Traditional Latin Mass for his own sanctification–and that the people have the absolute right to safe harbor found therein.

The story of Father Paul Sretenovic continues, therefore, a remarkable display of courage on the part of diocesan priests who have been willing to forsake all of their canonical safety and human respect in order to embrace Tradition without compromise. Men such as Fathers Sretenovic and Zigrang and Smith were ordained after the implementation of the liturgical revolution had begun. Father Zigrang was ordained in 1977. Father Smith was ordained in 1997. Father Sretenovic was ordained in 2002. Although there have been priests (such as Father Stephen Somerville) who were ordained in the Traditional rite and have returned thereto, the embrace of Tradition by priests who are relatively young (in the case of Father Zigrang) or very young (in the case of Fathers Smith and Sretenovic) is particularly galling to the liturgical revolutionaries, men and women who brook no opposition and who protest with great vehemence the glories of the “liturgical renewal.” How can it be, they ask themselves, that men who have been immersed in their handiwork all of their lives can become counter-revolutionaries and reject all of their “enlightened” schemes and programs?

The revolutionaries can protest all they want. The plain fact of the matter is that there are a number of priests across the nation who may be following the examples of Fathers Zigrang, Smith and Sretenovic. More than a handful of priests are on the fence as this is being written. Some are waiting for Rome to come to their “rescue” by means of an Apostolic Administration. Some are afraid of what will happen to their sheep should they simply leave their diocesan assignments. Others are simply afraid to pray for the graces to muster up the courage to stop participating in sacrileges such as the distribution of Communion in the hand. From the vantage point of one who travels great distances across the nation to get his family to the daily offering of the Traditional Latin Mass, it is time for our shepherds to give us our due, the Immemorial Mass of Tradition, understanding that Our Lady will take care of their temporal needs and that the rectitude of their actions will be understood fully only on the Last Day at the General Judgment of the Living and the Dead.

Indeed, the witness given by Fathers Zigrang, Smith and Sretenovic, as well as the witness given by the bishops and the priests of the Society of Saint Pius X, to the necessity of proclaiming the fullness of the Catholic Faith without compromise and without any dilution serves as an inspiration to the sheep who are seeking safety and security in the midst of doctrinal and liturgical instability and turmoil within the diocesan structures. They are willing to be calumniated, even by fellow traditionalists who have anointed themselves to be in the august and pristine "mainstream," in order to bear a witness to the authentic Tradition of the Church without any compromise at all. No loss of human respect and no amount of name-calling or sloganeering will ever deter them from giving their sheep the fullness of the Catholic Faith.

At least some of the sheep will respond when their shepherds put themselves on the line to give them what is their due, namely, the Traditional Latin Mass. Hundreds upon hundreds of people, for example, have found their way to Our Lady Help of Christians Church in Garden Grove, California. Most of these people have never heard of The Remnant, Catholic Family News, or Christ or Chaos. They've never heard of Christ the King College and most of them probably think that GIRM Warfare has something to do with bacteriology. They're just Catholics who understand that the first law of the Church is the salvation of souls and that they do not have to sit idly by and be subjected to the rot of conciliar novelties in the context of what pretends to pass for the Church's liturgy and catechesis. These good souls are fed up with what is going on in their local dioceses and parishes and they simply want the fullness of the Catholic Faith to be made manifest to them during Holy Mass and in the life of their parish. The same is true of the fifteen families who have found their way from Saint Andrew's Church in Channelview, Texas, to Queen of Angels Church in Dickinson, Texas (and Saint Michael the Archangel Chapel in Spring, Texas), following after their inimitable pastor, Father Zigrang. The sheep want Christ and His truth to be made manifest to them without novelty or dilution. This is nothing other than one of their baptismal birthrights as Catholics.

Father Paul Sretenovic finds himself some 3,000 miles away from his parents, who are residents of New Jersey. He has gone this distance to serve sheep without compromise. He is in need of our prayers. More of his brother priests need to follow his example of humility and fidelity, to say nothing of his courage. As a son of Our Lady, Father Sretenovic has entrusted himself entirely to her Immaculate Heart. He knows that she will take good care of him as he acts in the person of her Divine Son as a sacerdos. Father Sretenovic delivered his first sermon at Our Lady Help of Christians on Sunday, January 16, 2004, stating that he had come to realize that the devil has essentially used the hierarchy of the Church to communicate the belief that one can eat from all of the trees in the "garden" today (Judaism, Islam, the New Age Movement, Wicca, Modernism) except the tree of Tradition, from which it is forbidden to eat. He said that the Novus Ordo Missae breeds lukewarmness, crediting Father Paul Kramer’s The Devil’s Final Battle and this writer’s G.I.R.M. Warfare with helping him to see how he was stuck in this lukewarmness himself. His sermon resonated with the 700 parishioners in attendance at the three Masses offered at Our Lady Help of Christians.

Our Lady Help of Christians, pray for Father Sretenovic. Pray for all traditionally-minded priests to follow his example of pure love for Tradition without fear of the canonical and/or temporal consequences. Pray for us sheep, that we might make the sacrifices necessary to help our shepherds feed us with the pure milk of Tradition.


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To: csbyrnes84

The people have been leaving the Novus Ordo, a Mass Commitment and Exodus of those fence sitting Bishops and Priests could start a core group to take back our Churches and Cathedrals.

If the Novus Ordo Bishops can dictate their "Happy Hour" "Group Picnic" lead by the "Pedophlia and Homosexual Rite", then we can conduct the Tridentine Mass in our Cathedrals and Churches. The Tridentine Mass has not been outlawed by Rome. We can conduct our the Liturgy and Catechism according to Pre Vatican II laws and traditions.


21 posted on 01/25/2005 5:29:15 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: pascendi
There's that goofy subsistence theory again. It'll be a fine day when some future pontiff drives a stake through the heart of that heresy.

Want to demonstrate that this is a 'heresy'?

22 posted on 01/25/2005 5:33:51 PM PST by gbcdoj ("The Pope orders, the cardinals do not obey, and the people do as they please" - Benedict XIV)
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To: gbcdoj

Anytime you want. You start that thread like a big boy.


23 posted on 01/25/2005 5:38:07 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: csbyrnes84
Father Sretenovic did indeed head west, leaving Our Lady, Queen of Peace Church in Maywood, New Jersey

I don't know Fr Sretenovic, in New Jersey or in california.

I do know one of the priests still in Maywood, Fr Schott. Small world.
24 posted on 01/25/2005 5:38:47 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: annalex
Separation of church and state is wholly foreign to Catholicism. Nor is it mandated by our constitution.

The establishment of Catholicism as the national religion is forbidden by our constitution, and Catholicism as a "state religion" is the very thing the concept of the Kingship of Christ advocates.

25 posted on 01/25/2005 5:49:44 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: gbcdoj
Is John Myers included therein?

Is Michael Jenky?

Although Bishop Myers had granted permission to Father Michael Driscoll, the pastor of Saint Mary’s Church in Rock Island, Illinois, to offer the Traditional Latin Mass on a daily basis, that permission was revoked by Myers’s successor, Bishop Michael Jenky, who demoted Father Driscoll to the post of an assistant hospital chaplain at Saint Francis Hospital in Peoria.

26 posted on 01/25/2005 5:49:53 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: pascendi
This is mealymouthed lip service, too afraid to speak raw truth to a world that is soaked in the heterodox, anti-Catholic principles of modern democratic societal structure.

Nothing's ever good enough for you trads, it seems. The fact is that the Vatican does not support as an ideal the separation of Church and State. You guys can say that all you want, but it just isn't true.

We don't do that anymore. Nice lip service text... too bad the actions aren't there to back it up.

Talk all you want, but they are.

Christian spirit? This ambiguous word can mean just about anything anyone wants it to.

Do you also condemn all the preconciliar Magisterial documents which use the term "Christian spirit"? Pius XII says (Allocution on Oct. 5, 1957):

History shows that from the Church's earliest days laymen have taken part in the activity which the priest carries out in the service of the Church, and today more than ever they must cooperate with greater and greater fervor "for building up the Body of Christ" (Ephesians 4 :12) in all forms of the apostolate, especially by making the Christian spirit penetrate all family, social, economic, and political life.

No, this isn't anything close to a reaffirmation of the Catholic doctrine

Certainly it is - and the citations to Immortale Dei and Quas Primas prove it.

27 posted on 01/25/2005 5:50:00 PM PST by gbcdoj ("The Pope orders, the cardinals do not obey, and the people do as they please" - Benedict XIV)
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To: Land of the Irish

Is Father Sretenovic under obedience to Michael Jenky?


28 posted on 01/25/2005 5:55:51 PM PST by gbcdoj ("The Pope orders, the cardinals do not obey, and the people do as they please" - Benedict XIV)
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To: pascendi
You know what that means. That means society needs to be Catholic. Like it was before liberal principles ripped Her from Her right and honor.

Tell you what. Put your money where your mouth is.

Run for office on the platform that society needs to be Catholic.

Let us know how you do.

29 posted on 01/25/2005 5:59:49 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: gbcdoj
"Nothing's ever good enough for you trads, it seems."

That's correct. Nothing short of the up-front, accurate, no-holds-barred reiteration of Catholic dogma is good enough.

Guilty as charged.

And if you're not a trad, you should be. Get that way.

"The fact is that the Vatican does not support as an ideal the separation of Church and State. You guys can say that all you want, but it just isn't true."

On the books, and for show, ambiguously and mealmouthed, specifically tailored so as to be a means of being held harmless? Right. But in practice, it ain't happening.

"Do you also condemn all the preconciliar Magisterial documents which use the term "Christian spirit"? Pius XII says (Allocution on Oct. 5, 1957):

History shows that from the Church's earliest days laymen have taken part in the activity which the priest carries out in the service of the Church, and today more than ever they must cooperate with greater and greater fervor "for building up the Body of Christ" (Ephesians 4 :12) in all forms of the apostolate, especially by making the Christian spirit penetrate all family, social, economic, and political life."

No. But I'm sure you'll work hard to make it look like I do.

The quoted text was weak. It doesn't really want to tell the truth.

The truth is this: the Catholic Church is supposed to govern all human society.

30 posted on 01/25/2005 6:05:46 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: sinkspur
"Run for office on the platform that society needs to be Catholic."

I'm way ahead of you.

Here's my campaign slogan:

Vote Monarchist. Make your last vote count.

31 posted on 01/25/2005 6:07:05 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: sinkspur

Bwahahaha! lol.


32 posted on 01/25/2005 6:07:30 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: pascendi
The truth is this: the Catholic Church is supposed to govern all human society.

We tried that already, it was called the Dark Ages.
33 posted on 01/25/2005 6:10:41 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: gbcdoj
Is Father Sretenovic under obedience to Michael Jenky?

Is Michael Jenky under obedience to the Pope?

Why do you only go after traditional prelates and ignore the disobedience within the Novus Ordo?

34 posted on 01/25/2005 6:14:35 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: pascendi
Vote Monarchist Fascist. Make your last vote count.
35 posted on 01/25/2005 6:15:48 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: gbcdoj

"Want to demonstrate that this is a 'heresy'?"


Want to explain how the Catholic faith can "subsist" in false religions? The Modernists change "consist" to "subsist", which denies the requirement of being a member of the Catholic church to be saved, as I will quote the end of The Athanasian Creed: "This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved."

So how can the Church "subsist" in a religion that is outside of the only true religion where salvation can be attained?


36 posted on 01/25/2005 6:16:06 PM PST by corpus
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To: pascendi
On the books, and for show,
The State, out of regard for the traditional Catholic sentiment of the Colombian nation, considers the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman religion as a fundamental element of the common good, and of the integral development of the national community. (1975 Concordat with Colombia, art. 1)

In the name of the Most Holy Trinity ... The Catholic, Apostolic, Roman religion continues to be the religion of the Dominican Nation and will enjoy the rights and prerogatives which pertain to it in conformity with Divine Law and Canon Law. (unrevoked Concordat with the Dominican Republic, art. 1)

According to Fr. Harrison:

John Courtney Murray: A Reliable Interpreter of Dignitatis Humanae?

And in the case of both Colombia and the Dominican Republic this national recognition of Catholicism further contravenes the norms advocated by Murray, in that it certainly has "juridical consequences": Catholicism is to enjoy a favoured legal status in regard to marriage legislation, public education, the designation of public holidays, the civil status of clergy, and other areas of the national life.78

78. Cf. AAS 67 (1975), pp. 423-434; AAS 46 (1954), pp. 435-457.


37 posted on 01/25/2005 6:17:11 PM PST by gbcdoj ("The Pope orders, the cardinals do not obey, and the people do as they please" - Benedict XIV)
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To: gbcdoj; Pio; pascendi; Maeve; Viva Christo Rey; Canticle_of_Deborah; CouncilofTrent; murphE; ...

I cannot now find the passage in the Gospels, but Christ did not demand blind obedience to the letter of the law. Rather He demanded an understanding of, love for, and following of the "spirit" of the law.

Mere random quotes - some out of context - to justify the brutality of our Bishops - is pointless.

Of the brutality of our apostate bishops in this country, a good orthodox priest friend of mine-forced out of the NO priesthood by "Cardinal" Egan - used this very apt quote from the Gospel of St. Matthew:

"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter."

Remember - what is in Sacred Scripture is both in - and out of time. the scribes and pharisees are not merely a bunch of dead Jewish temple authorities. They are also the clergy of this day as well.

Indeed: praised be Jesus Christ! That a priest has listened to the voice of the Holy Ghost, and has eschewed modernism, and all the excesses of Vatican II - and the NO - and has committed himself to truly "priesting" his people. In the totality of Catholic Doctrine, Worship, and Tradition.

May Our Lady keep him in her tender care, and give him the graces neceesary to give himself completely for Christ in his sacerdotal vocation.

My only disappointment is that he has chosen not to remain in the Northeast - where we sorely need more of his kind. But may he be a blessing to those whom he serves!


38 posted on 01/25/2005 6:18:48 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: BikerNYC
"We tried that already, it was called the Dark Ages."

If it works, do it.

39 posted on 01/25/2005 6:19:49 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: sinkspur
"Vote Monarchist Fascist. Make your last vote count."

There you go again with your Modernist re-renderings of Catholic dogma.

40 posted on 01/25/2005 6:21:17 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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