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Maybe! (Santorum is about to become Ex-Senator Santorum)
Politics PA ^ | Uncertain | Dr. G. Terry Madonna , Dr. Michael Young

Posted on 03/29/2005 6:40:35 AM PST by Conservative Goddess

Some very smart people believe that U.S. Senator Rick Santorum is poised to become ex- Senator Santorum, a casualty of his scheduled re-election contest next year with State Treasurer Bob Casey.

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In fact, a close look at the record suggests that his confrontational style and conservative rhetoric conceals more than it reveals. Too much attention has been spent on Santorum the cultural ideologue and not enough on his pragmatism and political opportunism; inside this raging bull of a conservative is a pragmatist for whom getting re-elected always trumps ideology, which may not make him any different than other politicians.

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The independent and much respected National Journal’s rating system cited here is probably the most highly regarded measure of its kind. What its analysis reveals is that Pennsylvania’s junior senator consistently shifts toward the center in those years just before his reelection. Santorum may continue to talk like a conservative, but he’s voting like a pragmatist. Last year, for example, according to the Journal, Santorum was actually narrowly left of the Republican center, with his votes placing him closer to Arlen Specter than to his more conservative colleagues.

Last year was not the only year he moved left. He did the same in the run up to his 2000 re-election. The year before the election, he supported a decidedly un-conservative sales tax hike in 11 western Pennsylvania counties to build new sport stadiums in Pittsburgh, campaigned for pro choice Christy Todd Whitman, and supported increasing the minimum wage. In 2000, he supported federal funding for several Pennsylvania projects, including money for aquatic habitat. He also fought to save the health care benefits of 560, 000 Pennsylvanians who participated in the Medicare+Choice program. Most revealing of all, he backed off his commitment for the 1997-balanced budget act.

Similarly, this election cycle, Santorum is showing renewed interest in transportation and other Pennsylvania pork barrel appropriations. Indeed, he has now become a key player in bringing the bacon back home. He has also held high profile press conferences with John Kerry promoting a measure that would accommodate workers’ religious practices and with Hillary Clinton for money to study the effects of TV viewing, Internet and other media on children. And he is now rethinking his position in favor of capital punishment.

Santorum even now supports Clinton’s Americorps program that he once ridiculed as a colossal waste of taxpayer’s money for kids to sit around campfires singing kum ba yah.

His conservative talk and moderate walk were on display recently in key congressional budget votes. Initially, the “conservative” Santorum voted against a variety of Senate initiatives to restore budget cuts by the House--from Medicaid to Homeland Security grants, to education, and even Amtrak funding. But then on cue, the “moderate” Santorum, voted with the majority, 51 to 49, on final passage to restore the cuts to education, Medicaid, and the other domestic programs he had previously not supported.

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But this focus on Santorum’s high profile rhetoric has been myopic, causing his adversaries to miss much that is important. In particular, insufficient attention has been paid to Santorum’s unflagging work at his party’s grass roots; how he’s established comprehensive constituency services; how he’s worked tirelessly for Republicans--ask Arlen Specter about this--and how he has joined Specter in the Pennsylvania pork brigade. And far too little notice has been given to how he has blended his conservative zealotry with political pragmatism.

Maybe Democrats will learn the lesson taught here. Maybe they will learn not to underestimate Santorum. Maybe they will learn to watch what he does more closely than what he says. Maybe they will learn to take him less seriously as an ideologue and more seriously as a politician. And maybe they will finally defeat him next year. Maybe!


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: casey; caseysfreeperteam; circularfiringsquad; dutrolls; eatourown; electionussenate; newbie; pennsylvania; rino; santorum; toomeyloonies; troll
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To: Conservative Goddess

REVENGE!!!!! If you only knew the power of the Dark Side!!!!


61 posted on 03/29/2005 7:21:18 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: bmwcyle
I think "misgiuded" is one word, although the Goddess should have named herself "Miss Guided".

When it comes down to it, Santorum can only be held accountable for what he and he alone does.

62 posted on 03/29/2005 7:21:26 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Conservative Goddess

"Ricky has been in office for over a decade, and as he ages, his votes become more liberal. Enough."

Which is now?
Being responsible for Specter winning two legitimate elections?
His 96% conservative voting record?


63 posted on 03/29/2005 7:21:33 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: PhiKapMom
Well, I wouldn't argue with that. I'm sure it has been going on much longer, but the first blatant demonstration of this type thing--the Trojan horse?--was the seminar callers 10 years ago to CSPAN. No question it occurs.

My problem with the 96% ACU rating of Santorum, etc., is that things that are important to ME, e.g., Specter, aren't included in that number. I wonder what that remaining 4% represents. Big things or little things? Sure, one can pile up a big rating by voting "conservative" on whether, say, we should give an additional $ 10,000 to Rwanda. But on the important issues that can be won--not the Marriage Amendment or other red meat, bread and circuses (forgive the mixed metaphor)--what is the record?

I admit that I may react stronger than my thoughts or feelings, but that's the nature of this board.

64 posted on 03/29/2005 7:24:22 AM PST by jammer
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To: TheBigB
A choice between Santorum and Casey is a no-brainer. Santorum.

You got that right. I tire of the "if we don't get everything we want..." crowd.

65 posted on 03/29/2005 7:24:50 AM PST by stevio (Let Freedom Ring!)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Trolls are getting really obvious recently -- Howard Dean must have decided to use FR as part of their DNC propaganda that Democrats really are the conservatives as Hillary moves to the middle and right. Only explanation I have for the number of them spamming threads with their crap.


66 posted on 03/29/2005 7:25:55 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: jammer

You act stronger then your feelings on here? You love it! Keeps the place lively! :)


67 posted on 03/29/2005 7:27:50 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Dane

The Dems are rubbing their hands in glee on finally getting a chance to get rid of the hated Santorum. I hope the pro-life Democrat voters in PA remember what they did to Casey's father. If Casey gets in we are doomed here in PA. VOTE FOR SANTORUM!!!!


68 posted on 03/29/2005 7:28:16 AM PST by TracyPA
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To: Ramcat
There seems to be a "Get Santorum" thread everyday here.
I'm glad to see that many FReepers are not fooled by what's going on here.
Bringing down Rick Santorum would be a big trophy for the libs.
We've been fortunate here in PA to have Rick as our Senator. He's much more conservative than the majority of the state.
This will be a battle.
69 posted on 03/29/2005 7:28:44 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Ramcat; All

Perhaps you didn't watch the primary closely. Rick and GWB came to the rescue, and Arlen narrowly defeated Pat Toomey, a true conservative.

Before the pro-Arlen ads ran, Rick called some of those people who supported and worked for him specifically because of the pro-life position. He knew and understood that what he was about to do would wound his base. The fact that we are now refusing to support him should come as no surprise. He made a political calculation, and he cannot feign shock at the predictable reaction.

For those of you throwing stones, I've yet to hear ANYONE offer a reason to vote for Santorum that sounds in anything more than: He's the lesser of the evils.

I'm looking for a reason to vote for Santorum, not a reason to vote against Casey. The fact is, Santorum, while his words echo my sentiments, his votes do not. There is no reason for my continued support.


70 posted on 03/29/2005 7:28:45 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: jammer
We might have to stomach Casey--which I would hate--but the next Republican would toe the line, which is what we want.
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Attitudes like yours would seriously compromise conservative judicial confirmations or, worse yet, cause us to lose the Senate. The latter of course would ensure that the judiciary remain activist and would continue to allow the the left to promote their agenda through the courts rather than the legislature. Not to mention the impending battle for the SCOTUS.

I think controlling the judiciary is one of the most important domestic issues we face. FR is even planning a march on DC to end judicial activism. Santorum may not be your ideal representative but he is a hell'uva lot better than Collins, Snowe, Chafee and Specter. With Santorum we continue to control the Senate and judicial appointments. Bob Casey will never support any conservative judicial nominations.

Nothing wrong with being idealistic but when so much is on the line concerning our out of control judiciary we need to also be pragmatic.
71 posted on 03/29/2005 7:30:52 AM PST by Mase
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To: PhiKapMom

I can't decide if she is a troll or not. Its hard to tell.


72 posted on 03/29/2005 7:31:07 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: PhiKapMom
It was striking to read this -- right out of the Clinton playbook used against Dr. Tom.

It even has a name. It's a rhetorical tactic called "making the good the enemy of the perfect". It's designed to convince people to starve rather than settle for half a loaf. Instead, the deluded end up with crumbs.

73 posted on 03/29/2005 7:34:21 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: Mase
Well, I totally agree with your last two paragraphs. Your first is...well, fodder for disagreement. Let me see, are you saying that, due to the agreed need to have conservative judicial confirmations, we have to elect Santorum, who is responsible for Arlen being able to block those very confirmations?

I have trouble with that reasoning.

74 posted on 03/29/2005 7:34:46 AM PST by jammer
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To: Conservative Goddess
"Perhaps you didn't watch the primary closely. Rick and GWB came to the rescue, and Arlen narrowly defeated Pat Toomey, a true conservative"

Actually, I did watch the primary closely.
From what I could determine prior to the election was that Pat was a relatively unknown congressman from rural Central PA.
He was in the bar and restaurant business prior to his election in 1999 to the House of Representatives.
I paid enough attention to realize that Pat was no lock to beat Hoffel in the general election. Specter was a lock and to my knowledge he has not done one single thing since his election to impede the president's judiciary strategy.
As for what Rick has done?
He is a true Pro Life, Pro Family, tax cut CONSERVATIVE and a good man.
Let me add this.
Pat Toomey will support Rick Santorum's re election.
75 posted on 03/29/2005 7:38:46 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: LexBaird

Very well put! That says it all!


76 posted on 03/29/2005 7:40:38 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Conservative Goddess
For those of you throwing stones, I've yet to hear ANYONE offer a reason to vote for Santorum that sounds in anything more than: He's the lesser of the evils.

I'll give you a reason, 3 words: supreme court justices. We need to ensure that we control the U.S. Senate, which will have its say on any judges and justices Pres. Bush may appoint. This means that we'll even have to tolerate RINOs like Olympia Snow and Lincoln Chafee for a while. Santorum is no Snow or Chafee, not by a long shot.

I'll be the 1st to admit that he screwed up royally by backing Specter instead of Toomey; I made to roadie from Indy to Western PA to campaign for Toomey! Nevertheless, Santorum can be counted on to vote for bringing judicial nominations to the floor of the U.S. Senate, and that's why we need to keep his seat in GOP hands.
77 posted on 03/29/2005 7:41:47 AM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: Conservative Goddess
Conservatives like this erode the party from within

No, armchair fanatics like you erode the party from within (unless of course you are a troll).

In case you hadn't noticed, Pennsylvania voted for Kerry last year! Santorum would have been foolish not to support Specter, who like it or not has significant support within the Pennsylvania Republican Party. Not every Republican agrees with you on every issue. To expect every Republican Senator to agree with you 100% of the time is either naive or delusional.

If Santorum has to make a politically expedient vote once in a while to get re-elected, that's just an unfortunate political reality. Senators can't live in a perfect fantasy world; otherwise, they get trounced by the likes of Barack Obama.

If your goal is to purge every Senator who isn't to the Right of Santorum, then the Republican Party will have as much national relevance as Pat Buchanan and Alan Keyes. There are plenty of turd parties out there that would be glad to have you and other fanatics. Undermining our Party with ridiculous attacks on men like Senator Santorum proves YOU are no friend of the Republican Party. Don't go away mad; just go away.

78 posted on 03/29/2005 7:46:04 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (Mindless BushBot)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Not much of a conservative goddess are you.


79 posted on 03/29/2005 7:46:47 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: jammer
Public opinion is clearly on the side of giving judicial nominees an up or down vote. Whether that is enough to persuade the senate or we are forced to go nuclear, we will still have to control the senate to confirm Bush's nominations.

I am no happier than you are about Specter being where he is. But it is what it is and electing a Democrat will do nothing to change the courts. I don't want to wait another 6 years to elect a Republican from PA. I want changes now and the odds of that happening are better with Santorum in the senate rather than Casey. If Toomey can beat Rick in the primary then more power to him and I will gladly contribute to his campaign. Otherwise, we need more Republicans in the senate, not less.

I dream about 60 Republican senators in 2006 and the possibilities that presents. Being pragmatic will get us to where we want to be much faster than hard line idealism.
80 posted on 03/29/2005 7:49:56 AM PST by Mase
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