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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:

1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.

2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.

3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.

4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.

5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.

6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.

7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.

8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.

The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.

We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.

We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.

If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.

We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.

Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.

Let the discussion begin!

Signed,

The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antifreepers; antimilitary; bloodlust; cary; clownposse; du; eugenics; euthanasia; forcedexit; moles; murder; nazi; singer; trolls; wildturkeys; wppff; zot
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To: lugsoul

Actually, the judges have seen
and heard all the medical evidence
since the day 9-1-1 was called.


1,821 posted on 03/30/2005 2:50:56 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: annyokie

Well I think it starts when you don't go to seminary and call yourself Reverend.


1,822 posted on 03/30/2005 2:51:06 PM PST by MKM1960 (Now I know how Tom Daschle felt: "I'm saddened, deeply saddened")
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To: Scarlet7

Then get out there and work to change the laws you don't like.


1,823 posted on 03/30/2005 2:51:20 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: Bella_Bru
I really wish you had chosen another ancient culture for your comparison...

Since the current Mesopotamian revival is, in fact, all the rage. ;-)

1,824 posted on 03/30/2005 2:51:30 PM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: NautiNurse
these words are the True Manifesto of this Wild Turkey thread.

That's baloney. We're nearing 2,000 comments on this thread alone, 6,000 on the other one, and you think one statement is going to stand for our manifesto?

Our manifesto is basically that we don't like being called Nazis and murderers and lectured. I'll bet you couldn't find 10 people who agreed with everything about this case on this thread.

And your statement is like saying that what Randall Terry says represents the pro life movement.

1,825 posted on 03/30/2005 2:51:40 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Howlin

What I am puzzled about is the Schindlers have never claimed that they have many, many video segments showing Terri interacting. You'd think there would be more than just the snippets seen on television.


1,826 posted on 03/30/2005 2:52:03 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (" It is not true that life is one damn thing after another-it's one damn thing over and over." ESV)
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To: annyokie

I am trying as we speak.


1,827 posted on 03/30/2005 2:52:13 PM PST by Scarlet7
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To: MKM1960
That and the graft that got his kid the beer distriborships in Shy-town.
1,828 posted on 03/30/2005 2:52:27 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: annyokie
Now, we need to whittle down the minimum and maximum allowables:

She can't eat on her own.

Is this a low enough function for death as the only problem?

She is sucking up resources that could be used on others who have hope of contributing to society required in you opinion?

What is the minimum contribution to society?

The whole thing with heroic measures needs to have the brakes slammed on.

For whom, under what circumstances?

She should never have been resuscitated.

Why?

1,829 posted on 03/30/2005 2:53:00 PM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Peach


BUMP.


1,830 posted on 03/30/2005 2:53:34 PM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: the Deejay
Sorry - I misinterpreted your reference to 15 years.

Oh, yes. I was pretty well amazed the first time I read the DCA opinion. Because here I was, reading the discussion of the things the judges examined and deliberated - when all I had read on here is that they never did any of those things.

Well, I guess it is easier to slag the judges if you just make stuff up instead of actually looking into what they did...

1,831 posted on 03/30/2005 2:53:47 PM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: NautiNurse

Stop it.

If you are honest enough to tell all on this thread that you would wish to live that way than say it.


1,832 posted on 03/30/2005 2:55:04 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: Peach
An excellent article; thank you for posting it.

It's rather long so I'm not sure how many will read it, but it's one of the better summaries that highlights the tensions.

1,833 posted on 03/30/2005 2:56:14 PM PST by Drango (My tag line is takin' a nap. Please come back later.)
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To: annyokie; NautiNurse

NN is illustrating the slippery slope. you set the parameters with Terri, NN is attempting to fine tune the lines.


1,834 posted on 03/30/2005 2:56:30 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

"...waving THE LAW around does provide one cover, i suppose. but i find it scant comfort."

I didn't say I was looking for cover...nor that it gave me comfort.

Quite the opposite in fact. But the alternatives are unacceptable to me.


1,835 posted on 03/30/2005 2:56:46 PM PST by justshe (Become a monthly donor; eliminate Freepathons!)
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To: Peach

You aren't being honest with yourself or anyone when you deny the real issue is Mrs. Schiavo's cognitive level. You are the one who has repeately referred to PVS and flat EEG.


1,836 posted on 03/30/2005 2:57:17 PM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: xsmommy

I understand the slippery slope and it tilts both ways.


1,837 posted on 03/30/2005 2:57:27 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: Drango

I thought it was a good summary but it made me ticked off to a fairtheewell at our Congressmen all over again :-)

They are going to craft legislation that will intrude into things they have no business intruding into. And our right to self determination will be lessened as a result.

Modern medicine can keep a lot of people alive indefinitely. People who would probably prefer not to be kept alive. I've never yet met anyone who thinks living like Terri for 15 years is a GOOD thing.


1,838 posted on 03/30/2005 2:58:30 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: NautiNurse
Could Terri even blink her eyes on command? Once for yes, twice for no? Could she do just that?

sw

1,839 posted on 03/30/2005 2:59:13 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
You'd think there would be more than just the snippets seen on television.

It was to gain supporters and the MSM.

If they showed the "misses," they would not have all the supporters they do have.

1,840 posted on 03/30/2005 2:59:55 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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