Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
I disagree. Thusfar, I've seen at least fifteen "don't leave" posts to you and no "good riddance" posts.
Oh cool!
You figured it out!
Who has the full list?
LC? Howlin'?
sw
That matter you've quoted there, it's breathtakingly evil. Shameful.
A lot more emotion and anger. Today was especially over-the-top, but it was understandable.
I don't think today's the day for it...too much angst, not enough analysis...it's just get lost in the grief and anger.
Not dirt? I doubt it.
"Bad self" to me is dirt!
test bump
The checks and balances system was thoroughly abrogated by the judges in this case.
A situation arose that played out badly in the courts.
Congress (an whether or not it was the right thing for them to do is a moot point) tried to do what it saw as the right thing, passing a bill requiring a fresh hearing in Federal Court.
The President agreeing, signed the bill into law
The Courts disagreeing, insisted on the womans IMMEDIATE death, rather than carry out the direct instruction of the other two branches.
What logical, legal reason could they have had for not following the law?
What are you talking about, Petronski?
Bye now...sw
I am holding up well by staying away from the angriest threads.
I made my peace with the reality. It's like an election when you know you worked hard and did your best, but you know your candidate's going to lose.
I am sorry for the Schindlers, and I am sorry for everyone that this triggers bad memories for, and I am sorry especially, for the families that had loved ones at that hospice during the past two weeks.
Mostly, I'd like FR to get back to equilibrium so I can feel like paving trolls again.
Grants jurisdiction to the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida to hear, determine, and render judgment on a suit or claim by or on behalf of Theresa Marie Schiavo (Ms. Schiavo) for the alleged violation of any right of hers under the U.S. Constitution or laws relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.
Grants standing to any parent of Ms. Schiavo to bring a suit under this Act. Allows suit to be brought against any other person who: (1) was a party to State court proceedings relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain Ms. Schiavo's life; or (2) may act pursuant to a State court order authorizing or directing the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.
Declares that in such a suit the District Court shall determine de novo any claim of a violation of any right of Ms. Schiavo's within the scope of this Act,notwithstanding any prior State court determination and regardless of whether such a claim has previously been raised, considered, or decided in State court proceedings. Directs the District Court to entertain and determine the suit without any delay or abstention in favor of State court proceedings, and regardless of whether remedies available in the State courts have been exhausted.
Declares that, notwithstanding any other time limitation, any suit or claim under this Act shall be timely if filed within 30 days after its date of enactment ********************************************
It was the expressed intent of the Congress that this case be heard, and in order to not hear it, the Judges merely refused to issue a stay of Greers death order, which runs counter to the express purpose of this legislation.
Congress expressly granted jurisdiction, granted standing to the Parents, and instructed that the suit SHALL be heard De Novo.
Shall means MUST, not MAY.
LOL
I agree completely.
Tell you what, if I had a dying loved one in that hospice, I'd be very angry at the media circus outside, and about the security checks I'd have to run through to visit.
I'm talking about the quote in 3052, the matter in italics in that post, is evil.
Post the entire bill.
Heads up. You could be busy today.
Those were NOT my italics ("NO") to all the prayers................they were HER'S .
Get real!
That poster "spectre" wrote THAT!
Damn, I'm a decent younzer, she's the one who wrote that!
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