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Illegal immigrants 'are not free-loaders,' says Guatemalan bishop
Catholic News Service ^ | 04.13.05 | Agostino Bono

Posted on 04/21/2005 9:20:39 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: Dane

" You know telling those evil business owners the kind of people they have to hire..."

Now that was certainly a foolish statement. Can't you see the difference between someone that is legally entitled to work in the USA and those that have come to this country illegally? Perhaps we can find an illegal alien to replace you in your career. Perhap we can have an illegal to move into your home. Have you considered adding an illegal to your insurance policy or your healthcare insurance. Have you considered adopting a few illegals and provide 100% financial responsibility?

I have this strange feeling your "compassion" would come to a screeching halt if you had to assume full responsibility for a couple of illegals.


321 posted on 04/23/2005 5:18:43 PM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: swampfox98
there are a lot of liberal, pro-illegal immigration priests and religious in the American Catholic Church.
322 posted on 04/23/2005 5:21:50 PM PDT by Coleus (God Bless our New Pope, Benedict XVI)
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323 posted on 04/23/2005 5:30:50 PM PDT by Coleus (God Bless our New Pope, Benedict XVI)
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To: politicalwit
Now that was certainly a foolish statement. Can't you see the difference between someone that is legally entitled to work in the USA and those that have come to this country illegally? Perhaps we can find an illegal alien to replace you in your career. Perhap we can have an illegal to move into your home. Have you considered adding an illegal to your insurance policy or your healthcare insurance. Have you considered adopting a few illegals and provide 100% financial responsibility?

I have this strange feeling your "compassion" would come to a screeching halt if you had to assume full responsibility for a couple of illegals

Where have I said that I would take full responsibility for them?

Seems that they are taking full responsibility for themselves by taking back breaking jobs, that you and me were brought not brought up to take.

And I know the yada, yada, yada, spiel that will happen afterwards, they don't speak English(etc.), well no wonder, with frothing mouths such as yourself, why should they talk to you, with you saying that they are taking away welfare benefits and closing down hospitals, did you ever consider talking to them about the benefits of private health accounts and tort reform.

I sincerely doubt it.

324 posted on 04/23/2005 5:39:07 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Cultural Jihad
I was refering to this particular thread in which we are discussing illegal immigration. When responding to those comments, others replace that term with "migrants" or just "immigrants". Very disconcerning to me. No different then when the Democrats replace "taxes" or "spending" with "investments".
325 posted on 04/23/2005 6:02:57 PM PDT by Trinity5
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To: Cultural Jihad
"It is time for the government . . . to start rounding up all of the illegals and their progeny, load them on buses and planes and ship them back . . ."

To which you replied.....

"If you want to talk about deporting native-born American citizens then please ping me when you have suspended the Constitution."

So...you would send just the parents back???(which IS obeying the law)...and leave the children here???

You are one heartless person...breaking up families that way.

redrock

326 posted on 04/23/2005 6:05:32 PM PDT by redrock (Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. --Will Rogers)
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To: Marine Inspector
Good to see you again.

redrock

327 posted on 04/23/2005 6:07:27 PM PDT by redrock (Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. --Will Rogers)
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Then look a little closer. There was a poll wherein 7.6% of members want to end all legal immigration from Mexico."

And 59.5% approve or might approve some variation of a guest worker program. You ignore the majority opinion to try to prove your point?

328 posted on 04/23/2005 6:08:16 PM PDT by Trinity5
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To: Trinity5
Not at all, and I am included in that majority opinion, by the way. My statement was posted merely to counter the false assertion that no one here is against legal immigration.
329 posted on 04/23/2005 6:19:01 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
"My statement was posted merely to counter the false assertion that no one here is against legal immigration."

Please see post #325.

330 posted on 04/23/2005 6:24:45 PM PDT by Trinity5
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To: 1rudeboy

Thanks for showing the graph "Trade Openess"

I did not realize chinese people made that much.


331 posted on 04/23/2005 6:25:32 PM PDT by superiorslots
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To: Dane

"Seems that they are taking full responsibility for themselves by taking back breaking jobs, that you and me were brought not brought up to take."

I believe that an employer should pay an employee what the market will bear...the legal market. (not slave labor from 3rd world nations.

"And I know the yada, yada, yada, spiel that will happen afterwards, they don't speak English(etc.), well no wonder, with frothing mouths such as yourself, why should they talk to you, with you saying that they are taking away welfare benefits and closing down hospitals,"

My Mexican wife would laugh in your face. She too knows that you have been thoroughly brainwashed or using slave labor.

" did you ever consider talking to them about the benefits of private health accounts and tort reform. "

Why in the hell would I talk to an illegal about a private health account or tort reform? What in the world have you been smoking? Did your illegal smuggle something across the border for you?


332 posted on 04/23/2005 6:56:00 PM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: politicalwit
I am reminded of the anecdotal story of the fellow who needed to have some brush cleared from his land, and how he went from local teenagers to the state casual employment office, and how they either worked too slowly or didn't want to work hard at all, and he was paying the prevailing wage.

Disappointed and aghast at how long the task was taking, he somehow asked an illegal alien if he'd be willing to work, but the man stated clearly that his going labor rate was $15 an hour, almost twice what anyone else had been paid. The man worked hard and got the job finished the same day.

You could argue that the property owner got whatever he was willing to pay for, but you can't argue that the illegal was willing to undercut the wages of the local teenagers or the native-born casual laborers.

333 posted on 04/23/2005 7:09:57 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: harrowup
How about have you ever seen any anti-illegal immigration poster on any thread state "...build a wall twenty feet high and throw them all back..." or anything resembling that?

Take all the time you need.

Quit playing games and post a link...

334 posted on 04/23/2005 7:16:40 PM PDT by in the Arena (Life may begin at 30, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 110.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

I didn't see any posts on the thread you linked that were anti-legal immigration. Sure, a person whose job is in jepardy because of an supply of workers that exceeds the voted on H1/2-B cap has a legitimate complaint, their job is at risk...


335 posted on 04/23/2005 7:40:42 PM PDT by in the Arena (Life may begin at 30, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 110.)
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To: in the Arena
First you tell me that visa holders are illegal and now you tell me I can't read.

Un-scrunch your eyes.

336 posted on 04/23/2005 7:52:21 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Cultural Jihad

"Disappointed and aghast at how long the task was taking, he somehow asked an illegal alien if he'd be willing to work, but the man stated clearly that his going labor rate was $15 an hour, almost twice what anyone else had been paid. The man worked hard and got the job finished the same day."

Utilizing your rationale I guess it's OK to "recruit" a physican (forget verifying credentials, educational background, criminal background) from some third world, sneek them into the USA illegally, pay them low wages and justify your actions by saying they're working 80 hours a week instead of a legal resident of the USA working only 60 hours a week. Additionally, they are working for $25K while those ignorant legal residents are charging $85K. We could care less about qualifications or background because they're are saving us a sh*tload of cash.

The simple point is that these folks are here illegally. Rules and regulations and LAWS were established to allow an orderly flow of "legal immigrants" into the USA. You follow the rules or pay the price of arrest and deportation.


337 posted on 04/23/2005 7:57:21 PM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: in the Arena
For a fellow pretending to want solutions you sure do order people around alot.

Were you bottle fed?

338 posted on 04/23/2005 8:24:32 PM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect, humble of course and obviously incapable of discrimination.)
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To: Coleus
Islamic terrorists blending in with other illegal aliens "are not free-loaders", no, of course not, they are just potential mass murderers, with numerous forms of currency & forged ID's.

Due to our lack of meaningful border enforcement controls who knows how many moles have already made it here.

How many more terrorist moles are on route?


339 posted on 04/24/2005 3:54:58 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: superiorslots

Huh?


340 posted on 04/24/2005 4:22:48 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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