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Pope Set To Return To Traditional Liturgy
Web India ^ | June 20,2005 | Web India staff

Posted on 06/19/2005 9:33:26 PM PDT by Lady In Blue

Pope set to return to traditional liturgy:-

VATICAN CITY | June 19, 2005 5:11:27 AM IST


Pope Benedict XVI wants to restore the traditional ceremonial Mass in St. Peter's Basilica, with Latin instead of the vernacular and Gregorian chants.

Vatican expert Sandro Magister reported in his weekly newsletter Saturday that the pope is expected to replace Archbishop Pietro Marini, his predecessor Pope John Paul II's master of liturgical ceremonies.

Whoever follows Marini will have orders to restore the traditional style and choreography of papal ceremonies in St. Peter's.

Out will go the international Masses so dear to Pope John Paul II's heart, with such innovations as Latin American and African rhythms and even dancing, multi-lingual readings and children in national costumes bringing gifts to the altar.

Pope Benedict wants to return to the Sistine Chapel choirs singing Gregorian chant and the church music of such composers as Claudio Monteverdi from the 17th century. He also wants to revive the Latin Mass.

Archbishop Marini always planned the ceremonies with television in mind, Magister said, and that emphasis will remain. A decade ago the Vatican set up a system for transmitting papal ceremonies world wide via multiple satellites.

(UPI)


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To: Tax-chick

Magister is recognized as highly reliable and an expert.


41 posted on 06/20/2005 3:54:47 AM PDT by bornacatholic (I am blessed to have lived under great modern Popes. Thanks be to God.)
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To: bornacatholic
Everyone's an expert these days. "Experts" said Cardinal Martini would be Pope, too.

I'll be watching for a news report of events that have actually happened. Speculation and predictions have a value of precisely nada.

42 posted on 06/20/2005 4:10:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Children don't need counting, because whatever number you have, you never have enough.")
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To: Tax-chick

Instead of me posting scores of quotes recogning Mr. Magister's expertise, why don't you post one source criticizing him as unreliable or untrustworthy.


43 posted on 06/20/2005 4:44:51 AM PDT by bornacatholic (I am blessed to have lived under great modern Popes. Thanks be to God.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Lex orandi, lex credendi.

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is at the very center of the Church. How it is celebrated is crucial to every other aspect.

44 posted on 06/20/2005 6:06:31 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Aussie Dasher
I can't help but think there are higher priorities to deal with.

The "Spirit of Vatican II" hard at work here.

There is nothing more important physically, spiritually, or otherwise than the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Because many liberals have seen fit to water down the most holy and sacred event anyone will ever participate in here on earth, people lose their respect and awe.

We need this now more than ever and you have effectively illustrated this point.
45 posted on 06/20/2005 6:34:06 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I suppose I'm used to a Pope who gets out there and lays it on the line.

I think all popes get out there and 'lay it on the line' but they each have their own personal way of doing it.

It seems to me, the more I read B16's books, that he believes lex orandi: lex credendi, i.e., the law of prayer is the law of belief. From a beautiful and reverent prayer (the Mass) flows our beautiful and reverent belief. The first guides the latter... but this also works in opposite. B16 will it seems, set the standard for the Mass - raising the bar around the world.

I love JPII but some of the Masses he said were not as inspiring as for instance, his funeral Mass.

46 posted on 06/20/2005 6:44:00 AM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: RPTMS
Communion under both kinds,

While I agree with your sentiments, receiving the Eucharist under both species does NOT qualify as an "abuse".

47 posted on 06/20/2005 6:58:33 AM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I don't see the return of traditional Mass at the Vatican as the panacea for the problems the worldwide Church is currently facing.

It is not. However, it IS the necessary first step in the journey of a thousand miles. Christ said to put the Kingdom of Heaven first and all else will be added unto you.

48 posted on 06/20/2005 7:01:10 AM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Give it a chance.

It's not an either/or situation. It's not a case of sorting out the liturgy or dealing with dissent. Both need to be addressed. This is his starting point. It doesn't mean he won't get to grips with the problems which concern you.....and all of us.

The form of worship in St. Peter's is something which can be altered in the blink of an eye. The other stuff, such as Church discipline is something which will need to be an ongoing effort.

49 posted on 06/20/2005 7:06:01 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: dsc
Besides, there's been so much rewriting not only of liturgy and prayers, but even of scripture itself, inflicted in the name of "translation" that it's way past time to bring back Latin in a big way.

The problem being this: at one time the guiding star for translations was precision, now it's all about "relevance".

50 posted on 06/20/2005 7:06:04 AM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I suppose I'm used to a Pope who gets out there and lays it on the line.

JPII may have laid it on the line, but he never backed up his words with authority and action unless it was to shut down a traditionalist. The abuses continued under his watch. I loved him as a Pope, but I do not think he was necessarily a saint.

51 posted on 06/20/2005 7:10:44 AM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: TradicalRC

I agree-the Novus Ordo Mass is essentially the Mass of Luther and it worships the person instead of God-perfect for this me me me generation. Why not devote 90 minutes, the lenght of a normal high mass to the worship of God and maybe our children will think twice, along with proper catechism taught by real instructors instead of those bent on their own liberal agendas (studies have found that over 75% of lay religious feel that contraception is morally OK as well as 60% as it pertains to abortion!).

We need an entire generation to repair the damage done by Vatican II and the liberal post Councillar Popes-JPII meant well and said things, but he never followed up on anything and was more worried about being liked than being a leader of the 1B Catholics.

As our Lord said in the Book Of John:

IF the world hateth you, know it had hateth me before
If you had been of this world, the world would love its own;but because you are not of this world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Rember, the servant is not greater than his Lord. If they persecuted me than they shall persecute you.

When the secular media showed their love for JPII-was he really the Vicar of Christ? I dont mean that in a sede thing-but was he really a leader? No he was not.


52 posted on 06/20/2005 7:13:30 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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To: bornacatholic

Nothing personal about Mr. Magister. I'm just completely disenchanted with "experts" and their prognostications. When something happens, it's news. When someone says something is going to happen, it's just tattle.


53 posted on 06/20/2005 7:17:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Children don't need counting, because whatever number you have, you never have enough.")
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To: Aussie Dasher

Is that how you manage your life or your work?

Do you ONLY address your "highest priority" until it is resolved, while leaving all other issues languishing?


54 posted on 06/20/2005 7:20:25 AM PDT by G Larry (Honor the fallen and the heroes of 9/11 at the Memorial Site.)
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To: dsc
There's nothing wrong with having good, accurate English translations of the Latin, but we need to get back to Latin as the language of the Church.

Not to mention that it was one of a trinity of languages that accompanied the growth of Christianity from the cross itself onward. Latin is the codicil and treasure of the Western Christian church.

55 posted on 06/20/2005 7:24:21 AM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: Tax-chick
Web India? "Vatican expert Sandro Magister"?

Sandro Magister is a reliable source.

56 posted on 06/20/2005 7:27:18 AM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: TradicalRC; Tax-chick
Any other sources, like say Zenit, reporting this?
57 posted on 06/20/2005 7:28:49 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: TradicalRC; murphE

I'm sure they will, when there are events or statements to report. Nobody is a reliable source about the future :-).


58 posted on 06/20/2005 7:30:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Children don't need counting, because whatever number you have, you never have enough.")
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To: Tax-chick

Since I loath being disappointed, I will remain skeptical. I'll be delighted if my skepticism proves to be unfounded.


60 posted on 06/20/2005 7:35:00 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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