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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: Rippersnapper; Sunshine55

Not Jamie. His web site link was posted yesterday or the day before and I chcked it. Really nothing of interest that I could find other than a picture of Jamie and Joran.


2,141 posted on 07/08/2005 10:11:27 PM PDT by Countyline
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To: presently no screen name
Live and let live ... was in reference to posters making a post that the hard core posters to this thread do not like.

... comment that does not march along in lock step with their opinion; and the response is to jump on the poster with venom.

It has happened time and again. I'm not suggesting a do nothing attitude. To fight verbally within the ranks creates tension, ill feelings and unnecessary dissension.
Rather, it is wiser to stay on task with prayer and accurate information.

... and live and let live. IMO
2,142 posted on 07/08/2005 10:27:13 PM PDT by Countyline
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To: cajungirl; Palladin


As do I.


2,143 posted on 07/08/2005 11:30:08 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Rippersnapper

Shoot look at places like Makinac Island. They don't allow motorized vehicles at all.

Hell, they din't have cars on Gilligan's Island, either.

All of which reminds me of an old tune. ;)

they paved paradise and put up a parking lot with a pink hotel, a boutique and a swinging hot spot

don't it always seem to go that you don't know what youve got til its gone they paved paradise and put up a parking lot

they took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum and they charged the people a dollar and a half to seem 'em

don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what youve got til its gone they paved paradise and put up a parking lot

2,144 posted on 07/09/2005 4:14:48 AM PDT by elli1
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To: elli1
Florida State University is sending a dive team to Aruba to assist in the search. Interesting article about a new program of underwater forensics that has been/ is being developed at the university.

FSU Diving Team Joins Search For Missing Girl

A team of scuba-diving scientists from FSU's pioneering Underwater Crime Scene Investigation program left early Friday morning for the Caribbean island to participate in the search for Natalee Holloway...

2,145 posted on 07/09/2005 5:35:41 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Countyline

Who is Jamie, and what is her/his involvement in the Holloway case?


2,146 posted on 07/09/2005 5:47:27 AM PDT by stopem
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To: onyx; Palladin; cajungirl
Her rant was far from psychobabble, good people.

She wanted us to consider the whole picture, among other things. When someone who has been to hell and back, still dealing with the consequences of a bullet to her own son's head, I get a grip and listen up. If she can still be charitable and display compassion for all the people involved in this saga, then I can as well.

Calling it psychobabble with all she's still going through is just plain cold hearted. Walk in this woman's shoes, then see if ya'll are big enough to still be objective.

sw

2,147 posted on 07/09/2005 6:13:05 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Yes, CO, you can help. Knowing you, it will great. :)

Thanks.


2,148 posted on 07/09/2005 6:34:00 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: spectre

I did not use the word psychobabble.

Charity and compassion are due to the Holloways. The van Sloots who have obstructed, lied, refused to tell what they know are due contempt.

To state that both sides deserve compassion is foolish. I am walking in Nat Holloways mother's shoes and for me that is enough to know that all involved are not morally equivalent or due compassion.

I have consider the whole picture and am as entitled to my view and the original poster, whom I did not respond to,is due hers.

So lecture someone else.


2,149 posted on 07/09/2005 6:48:36 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: stopem

Jamie is said to be Joran's best friend. He has no known connection to the case. Some of the ones chasing connections on every name that comes in (as information) checked and found Jamie's web site. His comments there are all about the girls he is attraacting and getting to know via the inter-net. At least there was not any thing else there when I was there.

Just got in from a morning 2 mile walk; and just now sat down at the computer.


2,150 posted on 07/09/2005 7:33:12 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: cajungirl
No..you didn't use the word psychobabble, but you certainly voiced your approval as noted in your reply "I agree"..so cut the BS.

Putting people down who have different opinions contrary to ours on these threads is counterproductive.

There's no lecturing YOU, cg. It's your way, or the highway. It's a shame. I've tried with you, and though you seem to have some nice qualities, being compassionate isn't one of them. Joran's Mother is a sympathetic figure..yes, she is. AND you can't PROVE she knew anything about this.

So go pound sand..

2,151 posted on 07/09/2005 7:42:41 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Countyline

Good grief, info about that Joran character's reputation says he is one sick puppy as are the kids he hangs with. Lets hope they dont release him. I still wonder what aruban prosecution would do if they find true hard evidence this kid did it, will they than charge him? Certainly they would or will this go as an unsolved crime.


2,152 posted on 07/09/2005 7:44:56 AM PDT by stopem
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To: seekthetruth
.......and J and the K brothers have told us lies.

Of that, we can be sure, seekthetruth. Lying was not a good starting point for these guys.
2,153 posted on 07/09/2005 7:51:23 AM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: elli1

Thanks for the earworm! Heh, heh, heh...


2,154 posted on 07/09/2005 7:53:57 AM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: spectre

Back atcha.

Putting down people who voice different opinions? Defending probably dead girls from smears?

Right, no lectures to me. So why are you lecturing?

Joran's motoher is a far less sympathetic person to me, Joran is alive. I haven't bashed the woman. But I have defended and will continue to defend the Holloways. And will not view them in the same light of sympathy as the parents of this boy, the same parents who allowed him to grow up as he has, and probably the same parents who know what happened to her. The parents who advised him to keep silent.

There is no moral equivalence here. If you don't like it, you pound sand.


2,155 posted on 07/09/2005 7:57:52 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: elli1
FSU's pioneering Underwater Crime Scene Investigation

"CSI: Underwater"

Wonder when the network will add that to the other "CSIs"!
2,156 posted on 07/09/2005 8:00:17 AM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Countyline

hard core posters?


Can you explain what you mean by 'hard core' - seems a bit derogatory.



does not march along in lock step with their opinion;

Lock step? I have seen many many many different opinions regarding the events from May 29/30. Praise goes to the posters who tirelessly sought information and posted it and updated others when some info was confirmed or not. When you are dealing w/lies and corruption, it was not an easy task.



the response is to jump on the poster with venom.

The ONLY venom I have seen are those who speak ill of Natalee and her parents. And those who make comments about what Natalee and/or her parents should have done or shouldn't have done.

The Holloway's are the victims here. and when one tries to muddy the waters by finger pointing at the victims - they are, in essence, "covering" the lies/corruption from those who want to save their own skin and are not concerned with TRUTH. There is good and their is evil - there is no in between. However, those that muddy the waters are trying to create an 'in between'.

Those against EVIL will and should stand up for those searching for TRUTH. And if you think that is venom - I submit - stand in Natalee's shoes, stand in her parents shoes - for you have no idea what venom is.

There for the grace of God go anyone of us. We don't know what tomorrow brings so it's not too wise to point fingers at the those searching for truth and/or victims nor cover for that that do, because we all reap what we sow, more than we sow, later than we sow.

'Live and let live' with evil may be your stance in life but those who value truth, life and justice, do NOT bow to evil/lies/deception.


2,157 posted on 07/09/2005 8:19:01 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: hummingbird

Hey! Excellent idea. They just haven't thought of it yet. They keep expanding to new cities. The latest "CSI LA" may be the one that overkills the idea.

There is not a big divers series on and hasn't been for awhile to my knowledge. Years ago there was the Loyd Bridges series that was popular. Definitely time for a new one.


2,158 posted on 07/09/2005 8:22:32 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: spectre; gingersnaps; CitizenM; All
It is like running into a brick wall isn't it?

Too bad, really. Sometimes ego's just can not budge, it is making them 'wrong' in some way, to their mind and that is forbidden. There is one "right" way to look at this situation and it is their view only. Everything else is attacked.

Truly, much of the information suggests several possibilities; and we were not there. The truth is known for sure by the people involved and everyone else is grasping for answers. Pray there is definitive results.

Joran may break down, or his dad may, or the involved two that were released. What is needed is a body, an eye witness, or a confession.

Beth, needs prayers for strength, courage, comfort of the presence of God's Spirit, and that her daughter be found now.

Thanks for your continued input to the threads.
2,159 posted on 07/09/2005 8:38:24 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: stopem

Without a confession, a body or eye witnesses there will be a difficult time convicting anyone.

Even if Joran did rape or kill; there will be influences to create strong doubt.

It is the justice system. Based on the reality it is better to release a guilty person that falsely convict an innocent one.


Time will tell.


2,160 posted on 07/09/2005 8:43:28 AM PDT by Countyline
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