Designed or not designed?
Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.
On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.
“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”
The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.
Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.
“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”
He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.
“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.
School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.
Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.
“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”
He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.
“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”
Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.
“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.
“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”
She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.
“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”
UPDATE
Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.
At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.
Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”
I know the guy who wrote this has been nuked, but this classic has to be part of the "this is your brain on creationism" files.
(To paraphrase Israel Zangwill, forty years of liberal compassion/creationist love has made us very mean-spirited)
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Are you serious? One can detect design without fully understanding the purposes of a designed product. That's like opening up the hood of a BMW. You know it's designed but you may not know what a certain component does.
I don't need to open the hood of a BMW to tell you what's in there is designed.
Seems that you are adept at detecting design in places you already expect to find design.
I've already got more than I need of that stuff. If I collected all the whoppers it would overwhelm the list. Maybe someone else could devote himself to just such material.
I didn't say you had to open the hood to detect design. You're engaging in meangingless banter.
You're right. I should know better than to expect that you mean what you write.
The other problem that many creationists have here is that the sources of their information deliberately mislead them. We recognize them when we see stuff like, "There are no transitional fossils," or "The second law of thermodynamics prevents evolution", or my favorite, "The laws of probability prove that evolution is impossible."
Some of these arguments were debunked in previous centuries yet they keep showing up here because hucksters keep presenting them on their websites, books and pamphlets. When we see these arguments we know we're talking to someone with no science background who's relying on someone who's taking advantage of them.
So some of the heat your receiving isn't actually aimed at you. You're just someone's pawn out here taking the heat for them while they count their cash in the background.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;)
You are *totally* missing the point.
The 'typos' are things that we have recognized in nature as being mistakes. We know what functional genes look like. We know what retrotransposons look like. We know the tell tale signs of DNA that has undergone random mutation.
The fact is the majority of our DNA consists of these things. Things we are as confident as one could be in science that these are errors.
Now if you say maybe they are not...then there is no way to detect design even if it appeared to be.
You don't read and comprehend very well for a professor.
Well, I say maybe they are not :-)
Lets say maybe some are not, but some definitely are.
BTW - you work on 'Junk DNA'?
Clarias batrachus (walking catfish) has a primitive sac structure within the gills that allow it to obtain atmospheric oxygen.
Designed or not designed?
We work on such small bits of DNA, though, that they could be in a gene, or they could be junk.
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