Government Goons Murder Puppies!The drug war goes to the dogs.

Reason ^ | April 2006 | Radley Balko

[robertpaulsen]

"but now that western clothing and music are no longer banned, no one gets beaten or killed over a pair of jeans or a Beatles record."

Sounds like a safe place to live. Unlike the south side of Chicago where, every so often, we are treated to the story of some teen murdered for his Bulls jacket or his Air Jordan shoes.

Both legal, by the way.

[TKDietz]

"Just as I am entitled to respond."

I don't think you are entitled to call me names like you did, rp. You call me a gutless wonder yet you do so hiding in anonymity behind a computer screen. I'd like to meet you in person so you can do that to my face, man to man. You game for that fight club boy?

[TKDietz]

Well?

[Supernatural]

Ping!

Check out RP's comments on this thread.

[tpaine]

TKDietz: "-- we lock up a greater per capita percentage of our people than any other country in the world ..."

Cry me a river.
You want less crime, then let's see you advocate [Like I do]]for more machine gun carrying cops on every street corner -- more intrusions, more searches, less freedom. Yeah, just what I thought, you gutless wonder.
And stop your God-awful whining.
96 robertpaulsen

That post is completely out of line, rp. It deserves a response, but not one appropriate for these forums.
109 TKDietz

paulsen wrote:
Personally, I don't think your bleeding-heart-liberal posts about the poor, disadvantaged, misunderstood criminals belong on a conservative forum.
You are, by far, the biggest apologist for these scumbags on this forum.

But, this is a free country and you are entitled to your opinions. Just as I am entitled to respond.

Yep indeed bobby, just as you are entitled to hear, -- that you are the biggest apologist for these machine gun toting scumbags on this forum. - You advocate more intrusions, more searches, less freedom. -- Eat your own words.

[robertpaulsen]

"Not an abuse of power nor an intolerance of freedom and expression, but rather a waste of money."

Whoa!

First of all, I'm simply agreeing with what the poster said. Second, why didn't you jump all over THAT poster when THAT poster said it back at post #112? Third, it's a moot point since we're not sending the average matijuana user to prison.

Save your "intolerance of freedom and expression" for a real cause, not recreational drugs.

[Freedom_no_exceptions]

Sounds like a safe place to live. Unlike the south side of Chicago where, every so often, we are treated to the story of some teen murdered for his Bulls jacket or his Air Jordan shoes.

Actually, Russia is far from safe, and I wouldn't go back there even to visit. All I alluded to was the basic economics of black markets. If Chicago bans Air Jordan shoes and Bulls jackets, there will still be a demand as kids will want to wear them to underground parties, and there will be even more violence associated with their smuggling.

[robertpaulsen]

You are a gutless wonder because you refuse to advocate the things necessary to make the changes you want.

You want less people incarcerated? Is that the goal? Is that what you want? Well, c'mon, counsellor. Let's hear your plan.

You want more cops with machine guns on street corners, as in Russia or China, countries with lower incarceration rates? Or, as in the UK, just give a "caution" to those engaged in the kiddie porn business?

Let's hear your solution, Mr. Bleeding Heart.

[tpaine]

paulsen whines:

First of all, I'm simply agreeing with what the poster said. Second, why didn't you jump all over THAT poster when THAT poster said it back at post #112?

Gotta love it when bobby whines only a post or two after calling someone else a whiner.

What irony.

[robertpaulsen]

Pointing out blatant hypocrisy is not whining.

[68 grunt]

... Save your "intolerance of freedom and expression" for a real cause, not recreational drugs.

The most ready example is the most effective. You advocate 'freedom' as a gubermental decision and gift.

I read the thread start and responded, and then I read and responded to the post from you that landed around the same time. There may have been some good points between hither and yon, but I suspect its mainly the same drivel.

[tpaine]

Paulsen, you are without a doubt the biggest whiner on FR. -- We've all seen you do it time after time when pressed. -- And its a rare day when someone doesn't press you.

[TKDietz]

I've spent hours and hours on these forums going over suggestions for reducing our incarceration rates while locking up the real threats to society longer than we do today. I'm not going to waste my time going over it all again with some game playing weasel who hides behind his computer screen and calls me a gutless wonder.

I am dead serious. I can be in Chicago in a matter of days. Let's have us a little talk, man to man. Once we get that settled, we can go back to arguing online. Otherwise, STFU, I don't have anything to say to you.

[NYCynic]

The line between DU and FR continues to blur.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

And those local militarized forces are the standing army our founders feared.

Exactly.

[jmc813]

Yeah, just what I thought, you gutless wonder.

And stop your God-awful whining.

Are you having a bad morning? You're usually a lot more civil than that and TKD is certainly one of the more civil, articulate anti-WOD people.

[SampleMan]

First, your native Russia hasn't tried capitalism. If they ever do, things will be much better there. You must have a rule of law to have capitalism.

The tireless comparison with alcholohol (you left out tobacco, coffee, chocolate and green tea) is just plain silly.

What would legalization mean? It would mean disbanding pharmacies and prescriptions. Why bother, there could be no regulating law. Or do you propose laws for smart people, but no law for pot heads?

If you are going to tax the drugs sufficiently to pay for their costs to society, then the "illegal" smuggling will continue along with the murder. Additionally, taxes mean that the drugs are going to cost money. When a junkie has no money, because he's brain dead, he will kill for a $5 fix just as readily as a $50 fix. I guess he wouldn't have to kill as many people per fix though. Score one for you.

So you really want free drugs, paid for by me, for you. Followed by no doubt by free social services to care for the derelicts, and free medical care. Do I get free scotch, cigars, coffee, and chocolate too, or is the public largess just to be for serious dumba$$'s?

Perhaps we can offer free drugs as an incentive to get their useless bodies out of the country? Penal paradises full of free drugs and pine boxes.

[SampleMan]

I got your point but you simply can't compare smoking a joint or some kid selling a quarter ounce of pot with murder and rape.

More of a case of financially supporting murder and rape. What's a man that goes to a whore house full of women that were forced into prostitution guilty of? If society treated drug use with the scorn it deserves, then kids wouldn't think, "its just a joint".

[SampleMan]

Obviously, this is because drugs are illegal.

No. Its because they don't have the money. Brain dead druggies will never have the money and they'll kill for the fix, they don't care if its $5 or $100.

[ActionNewsBill]

So you really want free drugs, paid for by me, for you.

You are the only one bringing up the idea of "free" drugs.