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1 posted on 04/05/2006 12:57:04 PM PDT by JTN
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2 posted on 04/05/2006 12:58:09 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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3 posted on 04/05/2006 12:58:45 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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For the most part, the war on drugs is a local communities way of receiving extra cash and assets siezed in their raids.


4 posted on 04/05/2006 1:00:12 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Bank Robber means Wealth Redistribution)
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The operation ended with the targeted home in flames and exactly one suspect in custody—for outstanding traffic violations.

D@mn.

5 posted on 04/05/2006 1:03:18 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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I've noticed that JBT's tend to be real pussies by nature. Take the body armor for example. There are soldiers in Iraq just months out of basic training with mmuch less.

I too have noticed how scared they are of dogs too.

6 posted on 04/05/2006 1:03:48 PM PDT by jmc813 (I Thessalonians 5:9-11)
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But when the speaker mentions that the government also slaughtered two dogs during the siege, eyes light up, the indifferent get angry, and skeptics come around. Puppycide, apparently, goes too far.

Whatever it takes to wake people up, I guess....but D@MN it irritates me that so many people care more about the welfare of animals than they do humans.
8 posted on 04/05/2006 1:05:54 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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It's SOP for the thugs to shoot the dogs during a raid. Makes ya proud, don't it?


10 posted on 04/05/2006 1:07:25 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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I know that officers may reasonably fear a large, unknown dog that is coming at them in a hostile manner, but that probably doesn't fit these scenarios.

If someone came sneaking up on the house at night, especially a group of people sneaking with guns, my 2 big dogs would naturally assume someone was up to no good, and they would protect their humans.

I hope none of this ever happens, believe me. I can't say what I'd do if my dogs were shot because I would get banned.

13 posted on 04/05/2006 1:14:40 PM PDT by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. Be without form. -Sun Tzu)
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Among other weapons, it used tear gas and an armored personnel carrier that later rolled down the street and smashed into a car. The operation ended with the targeted home in flames and exactly one suspect in custody—for outstanding traffic violations.

I have long maintained that the underlying motive for the WOD is the militarization of our local police forces.

Look at the evidence. Just about every locale has a police force that has a stockpile of body armor and AR-15s.
What the hell does Maricopa County, Arizona need an APC for?

15 posted on 04/05/2006 1:19:32 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Pain is nothing. Pain is weakness leaving the body.)
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Its an interesting (albeit disturbing) commentary on American society that its the dogs that garner sympathy.

I have to admit I'm not imune to that either. The general tendency is to picture the "perp" as somehow deserving of his problems - whether or not he really was.


16 posted on 04/05/2006 1:20:19 PM PDT by Pessimist
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23 posted on 04/05/2006 1:35:26 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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Joe Arpaio, self-proclaimed “toughest sheriff in America.”

My face turned purple when I saw the "Penn & Teller's Bullsh!t" episode about the WOD, where this arrogant piece of crap was defending prohibition. What makes him "tough"? Is he a 10th-degree black belt, a Golden Gloves champion, a war hero -- or just a heavily armed government bully?

As for the dogs...I'm torn on who's more deserving of the label "dogs" - the family pets, or the psychotic WOD invaders who break in and kill those pets.

26 posted on 04/05/2006 1:38:04 PM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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A BATF agent testified before Congress that they shot the Branch Davidians' dog and her puppies. This was before the human to human gunfight started.

The MSM decided to ignore this.


31 posted on 04/05/2006 1:44:31 PM PDT by Poincare
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kill the dog is standard policy on any LEO raid. a dog is considered the first line of defense of any home. the dog is silenced before anything else happens in a raid. agents are not worried about being attacked by the dog, they are worried that the dog may alert the owner.
i didn't see it mentioned yet, but randy weaver's dog was shot first at ruby ridge also.


41 posted on 04/05/2006 1:54:35 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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I was once pulled over by a Texas DPS cop who asked me that question you hear on the cop shows on television. You know the one, "Do you have any drugs, guns or dead bodies in the car?" I answered truthfully that I don't take drugs or kill people and then had to repeat myself as the officer didn't seem to comprehend that. By the time he had gotten backup, secured me in the back of his police car and torn my car apart I was more than an hour behind my schedule. I have since learned from my local sheriff, who is a friend of mine, that the correct answer is, "Not yet."


61 posted on 04/05/2006 2:55:48 PM PDT by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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"In January a cop en route to a drug raid in Tampa, Florida, took a short cut across a neighboring lawn and shot the neighbor’s two pooches on his way."

Two pooches? Little wittle pooches?

First of all, he shot AT two, hitting one in the leg (treated and released) and missing the other. Second, the dogs were unregistered with no vaccinations. Third, they were mixed breed -- you can guess the mix. And fourth, both dogs attacked the officer and "bit Blanco several times on his elbows, arms and hips, and he was taken to Tampa General Hospital. Roberts said the dogs attacked Blanco so ferociously he shot at them."

Now, that's the whole truth on one story. Ask yourself how many of the other "poochie" stories referenced by this pro-drug, self-professed Libertarian writing in a Libertarian rag (Reason) are just as misleading?

He and Reason have no shame.

62 posted on 04/05/2006 3:17:11 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Where are all the links to these facts?


104 posted on 04/06/2006 6:50:29 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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And to think, some people call them pigs ...


118 posted on 04/06/2006 8:17:05 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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The line between DU and FR continues to blur.


134 posted on 04/06/2006 9:53:38 AM PDT by NYCynic
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Follow-up by Mr. Balko:

"One theme that keeps emerging the more I write about this SWAT stuff is that longtime police officers have grown really wary of the militant, cowboy culture among younger cops. I don't agree with everything in the following email, sent to me ealier this week in response to the Reason piece on puppycide. But the part about older cops being skeptical of the military influence creeping into the local police department is consistent with what other cops have told me:"

As a lifelong supporter of Law Enforcement allow me to say: It is now in some cases sadly attracting the wrong element of wanna be tough guys. The old guys call them "the new breed" and it ain't a compliment. Some younger ones in particular seem to relish weilding their authority, frequently use profanity, and a very, very small number border on sadistic. I don't know how the MMPI didn't weed them out.

Their mommy sat them in front of too many episodes of "COPS."

My friend was the assistant Deputy District Attorney and is now a Judge in the Criminal Division. The Sherriff's Dept asked him how to staff the SWAT team they were forming. His answer:

"Ask for volunteers, then take that list of names... and toss it in the trash. That'll eliminate the Cowboys."

Drugs are a scourge. It is not a "victimless crime" as some aging ponytailed old hippies allege. Heroin and Meth wrecked hundreds of thousands of lives. I watched my stepson slide into hell over his drug addiction and he never recovered. He's now 35 living in a beat up trailer park either blasted out of his skull or drunk as a pig every day of his life. And it all started before I met his mother with weed. It IS a "gateway drug." I'll quote him: " I don't have a problem." This is while he sittng in a freezing trailer with no lights because he spent all his money on "altering his conciousness. "

But "Dynamic Entry" has become the preferred method of affecting arrests by many departments all too often on the wrong house due to sloppy police work or bad intel. I've read of cops doing this on the word of felony convicted confidential Informants with zero credibility finding out after the fact that the suspect had moved a year before. A simple call to the public utility companies or a credit bureau address update would have verified the address. Level Three body armor and an MP-5A does nothing to raise your score on the Stanford-Binet IQ scale.

I used to handle Police Canines twenty years ago. Shootng a violent Pit Bull or Mastiff may occasionally be necessary (OC spray rarely stops a Pit, bullets can fail to penetrate the cranial vault ) if the animal is protecting some MS-13 banger who uses the animal as a weapon.

Shooting someone's harmless pet for fun is a window into a sick soul. Chasing a terrified puppy into a burning house earns you a special place in hell.

" I should note here that the Reason piece wasn't meant to be a cop-bashing piece. It was more of a comment on reaction to stories of SWAT excess, how people tend to shrug off the latest no-knock resulting in death or injury of a nonviolent pot smoker, but seem to get genuinely pissed off when they hear that the family dog took fire, too."

Old Guard and New Guard

172 posted on 04/07/2006 7:17:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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