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Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 20

Posted on 04/19/2006 10:32:18 AM PDT by RGVTx

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To: floridaobserver
I have read all of John Douglas' books on Sexual Homicide and Serial Killers. Joran is a true sociopath. He feels neither remorse nor guilt.And, now that he has killed, he will kill again. Truth is, he liked it. As a young adult, he will become paranoid and this will fuel his anger. It is not the sexual act that he craves so much. It is the fantasy of control and power that drives this burgeoning killer.

Aruba has a monster on its' hands and it serves them right.

1,461 posted on 05/30/2006 3:36:11 PM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: RGVTx

The only thing someone in Aruba COULD do would be to tell what happened to Natalee and where she was put but in so doing they would ABSOLUTELY HAVE to make arrangements to immigrate to the United States. I'll bet that if someone could actually give Beth, Dave and Jug the TRUE answers that she could receive some peace from that. Who knows, that person, may even collect the reward especially if they could somehow verify it.

In any event, Aruba has a whopper of a black eye and I don't believe for a minute that their tourism industry has only dropped 3.7%!! Those beaches look pretty darn empty. Also they are not acting like people who have had a slight drop in visitors. They appear to be in perpetual panic mode. May it continue. Even the cruise lines are avoiding them.


1,462 posted on 05/30/2006 4:23:36 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)
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To: MAWG

I would add only one thing to Joran's fantasy and control - that is his arrogance in that HE believes he can get away with it ad infinitem!!


1,463 posted on 05/30/2006 4:25:33 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)
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To: floridaobserver

An Island that has to threaten to murder the mother of her MURDERED daughter on THEIR Island has something very big to hide!! Aruba deserves the harshest of penalties. Their corruption is so transparent a blind man could see it!!


1,464 posted on 05/30/2006 6:07:43 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)
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BTT.


1,465 posted on 05/30/2006 6:25:07 PM PDT by LucyT ("The little dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.")
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To: shebacal; justche; Canadian Outrage; deetch; No Surrender No Retreat; MAWG; Malichi; IIntense; ...

This is one time you should watch Greta's rerun.
Tune in at the half hour and watch the next 15 minutes.
Beth shows Natalee's room. Her calender was marked with plans for her future. Her full ride scholarships still sitting on a table.

Three of Natalee's friends are interviewed. They talk about the trip, Natalee, and the emotional ride of this past year. There's some laughter and some tears.
It's very worth watching.


1,466 posted on 05/30/2006 8:10:53 PM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)
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To: MAWG

Joran is a true sociopath. He feels neither remorse nor guilt
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I'm reading the posts backwards to catch up - this caught my eye. On one of the crime news magazine type shows this weekend they were showing Chris Longo - and someone described him as a sociopath - and said "sociopaths know that they SHOULD feel bad for something" but can't quite get the actual emotion.

I think that's true of Joran - he knows he should feel bad that he had a part in her murder - but he has no idea how to raise that emotion up - and guilt just isn't part of his make up - so what is left? No remorse, no guilt? What else do you do, except the same behavior.


1,467 posted on 05/30/2006 8:28:32 PM PDT by justche (http://www.ingodwestilltrust.com/listen.html--listen to what country stations won't play!)
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To: MAWG

If he is truly a sociopath, why doesn't he have any apparent history of doing this sort of thing. He has a clean criminal record, and I haven't heard anything from Aruba that says he's a bad person.


1,468 posted on 05/31/2006 4:22:10 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: justche
We know that Joran has been in therapy already. As an adolescent, ALL serial killers wet the bed, play with fire and show extreme cruelty toward animals. I'm certain that Joran has done all three. By the time he reaches his teens, he is emotionally cut off from everyone, even his family. It is significant that Joran has his own " Apt " at the family compound at his age.I'm sure that his family has experienced his rage, particularly his younger brother.

As he matures sexually, what was anti social behavior (problems with authority, getting into fights, misdemeanor crimes ) now becomes predatory behavior. Joran is on the hunt and he couldnt live in a more ideal place. Natalee is not his first victim but she is probably his first kill. ALE is acutely aware of Jorans' " problems ". Paulus has told them he is sick and they are trying to help him. Besides, they dont have any real evidence of a crime so it is much easier to ignore this investigation and hope that it goes away. THAT has been their strategy for a year now and it has worked.

Finding Natalees' remains, there is no longer a body, could resolve this case. But, even if Joran could be tied to the murder,the liberal Dutch system would find that he is ill and not responsible for his behavior. He would be placed in a hospital for the criminally ill in Holland, pronounced " cured " after a couple of years and released.Stupid liberals. He will kill again. John Douglas says there is only one thing you can do with a serial killer," Blow them out of their ***king shoes." I agree.

1,469 posted on 05/31/2006 5:02:38 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: floridaobserver
Who are you? Really. You dont fool me in the least.

Tick..... Tick...... Tick.

1,470 posted on 05/31/2006 5:05:28 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: floridaobserver
First, you attack the Chaperones calling them drunks and now you come to Jorans defense. You are either very stupid or a disruptor.

Get Lost ! NOW.

1,471 posted on 05/31/2006 5:16:30 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: floridaobserver

YOU HAVE MAIL.


1,472 posted on 05/31/2006 5:45:52 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: MAWG

I am not defending Joran. You just made a charge that he is a pschopath or sociopath with no evidence behind it.

You sound like a stooge of some sort.


1,473 posted on 05/31/2006 6:00:24 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: MAWG

Send me links proving that Joran has been wetting the bed, playing with fire, and extreme cruelty toward animals.

If you do, then I will be more respectful of your opinon.


1,474 posted on 05/31/2006 6:02:02 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: MAWG

Everyone seems to think that Joran was quite the lady's man, not a sociopath. I've never heard that word used about Joran on Fox or MSNBC or CNN.

I guess you must be a psychologist too?


1,475 posted on 05/31/2006 6:04:53 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: floridaobserver

Signed on Dec. 30, 05. Well, the mask is off now isn't it. Why dont you tell us who you really are. Your sentence structure, syntax, indicate you are foreign. Aruban?


1,476 posted on 05/31/2006 6:16:55 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: MAWG

you have mail


1,477 posted on 05/31/2006 7:31:13 AM PDT by imaketypos
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To: floridaobserver

three island girls, one as young as fourteen, came forward very early in the investigation, and part of the civil suit includes this and is the core for JQK's claim that joran is a sexual predator: they claimed to have been date raped by the innocent, honest and upstanding joran--can you believe it?...aruban detective dennis jacobs handled this aspect of the case and the girls quickly went away----JQK is reincarnating the evidence jacobs attempted to bury, dead and gone (one of his island talents within the ALE)


1,478 posted on 05/31/2006 8:26:16 AM PDT by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: floridaobserver

I've never heard that word used about Joran on Fox or MSNBC or CNN.


Asked what FBI profilers told Dompig about van der Sloot's psychological profile, he says, "They use the word sociopath. And the fact that he was capable of lying about basically everything."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page4.shtml



GRACE: And I want to quickly go to psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall. Bethany, after watching all of Joran Van Der Sloot`s interviews on "A Current Affair" one of their producers tracked him down at the university. What do you make of his demeanor?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: I just think sociopath, sociopath, sociopath. I mean he has a derisive attitude towards the victim. He viewed Natalee as an object to be exploited. He had disregard for the rules of society. But the interesting thing about sociopaths is not only do they lack regard for others, but they are often unconcerned for their own safety.

And because of that, they tell very shabby, shallow lies. So I think the person who is going to crack this case wide open is Joran Van Der Sloot himself because over time, he`s going to forget -- once the pressure is off, he`s going to forget the consequences even more. He`s going to brag to somebody and the truth will come out.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Asked what FBI profilers told Dompig about van der Sloot's psychological profile, he says, "They use the word sociopath. And the fact that he was capable of lying about basically everything

http://wfrv.com/national/topstories_story_083110733.html


Dompig says profilers have characterized Joran as a sociopath, someone, in layman’s terms, who wouldn’t know the truth, or at least tell the truth, if it hit him in the head like a coconut.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12040436/


1,479 posted on 05/31/2006 8:42:10 AM PDT by imaketypos
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To: MAWG
Tick..... Tick...... Tick.

Yep! I knew you wouldn't let me down!!

1,480 posted on 05/31/2006 8:52:41 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts + Arbua is a cesspool)
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