Posted on 04/19/2006 10:32:18 AM PDT by RGVTx
Who was that Aruban who threatened to shut down the case if Beth didn't back off?
TWITTY: Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as Van Der Sloot. You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit. And you know, I said, Well, that’s a great attitude to have.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html
I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on
10-10-2005 Scarborough Country
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9662347/
SCARBOROUGH: I have just got to start by asking you, you were on “Dr. Phil” last week, a lot of Americans getting more enraged by what happened in Aruba and, more importantly, what did not happen in this investigation. Now people talking, including Dr. Phil, about a boycott of Aruba.
Do you think this pressure may actually lead to the Aruban authorities to get responsible and rearrest these guys, who they know had to be responsible for at least the rape and possible killing of your daughter?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, when you opened it up, you said it exactly right. It‘s kidnapping, rape.
And, you know, we all have seen this taped confession now. And I seen a little more movement in the last few days. And I think the increased pressure only causes some movement. It‘s just incredible how much pressure it does require. And they know the proper channel to—they know the proper channel to request this investigative material, contact the FBI. They have the number of the FBI that was given to them by Dave Holloway. And they have known how to proceed forward with getting this taped confession.
So, it was not—it was not supposed to be due to Dr. Phil. They knew the proper chain of command.
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SCARBOROUGH: Well, let‘s talk about this new evidence. You obviously
when you talk about a taped confession, you are talking about Deepak Kalpoe, one of the main suspects in Natalee‘s disappearance, telling polygraph expert Jamie Skeeters shocking details of that fateful night on May the 30th.
And that, of course, is the tape that everybody heard on “Dr. Phil.”
Let me ask you about—again, about that tape. Do you consider his -
his remarks that all three of these men had sex with your daughter on the beach to be telling enough to force the rearrest of these guys?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, absolutely, Joe, especially when you pair those with Joran‘s statement.
He specifically states in there how Natalee is coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly. And, also, he admits to having sex with my daughter at his home on May 30 at 1:40 a.m. Now, I think, if you look at all the evidence, it is there. And, you know, it just—it‘s just amazing to us that they are not acting upon this.
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SCARBOROUGH: So, you have—basically, what you have is these three suspects who are admitting they had—all three of them had sex with your daughter and, at the same time, saying that she was out of consciousness during parts of that night.
Obviously, if that had happened in America, these people would have been arrested. Have you contacted the authorities? Have you talked to them? Do you have reason to hope that they are going to actually be responsible and rearrest Joran and Deepak and his brother?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Joe, first, we have to see if they will request this investigative material be sent to them. The FBI has the taped evidence.
They need to request it and they need to utilize it. You know, that‘s the whole key here. Once this evidence is obtained, they have to utilize it and act upon it. It cannot become missing from her file or it cannot be lost or misplaced or—you know, it has to be utilized and acted upon.
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SCARBOROUGH: Well, I—you know, none of us have been able to figure out how in the heck the Arubans run their investigations, how they run their court system. It seems—really, it seems like a banana republic.
I would never allow any of my kids now, after this terrible, tragic tale, to ever go down to Aruba. And I don‘t think any—any responsible adult out in America should until they clean this mess up. But I have got to ask you. I‘m just really curious, Beth. We kept hearing throughout the investigation, well, we have to keep things silent. We don‘t want to get any information out there before the trial comes up.
And, yet, they release the three guys and it‘s not until after they are released that we find out that all three of them had sex with your daughter on the beach while she was unconscious. Why didn‘t that come out during the judicial proceedings?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Joe, that is what really frightens us, as her family, is, we think this information was coming out.
We think that it was coming out into Joran‘s and Deepak‘s statements, Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. We think that the information coming from them was very incriminating. And that‘s what frightens us, is, we have not had access to all of these statements.
Just think of the countless audiotapes and videotapes and statements that they have obtained from these suspects, let alone witnesses. We have never been allowed to see that and just can only imagine what these statements have said.
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SCARBOROUGH: What else is in there?
So, what you are basically telling me is, if you send a loved one down to Aruba or a loved one goes down into Aruba, they get raped or they get killed or something else very bad happens to them, then the victim has no rights in Aruba and the family members of the victims have no right in Aruba to find out what really happened to them.
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I have not seen us or Natalee having her rights. What I have seen, though, are the suspects‘ rights protected. And I think that this was shown to everyone, the world, especially Judge Rick Smit, he released all three suspects. He was also the judge that presided over the ruling where Paulus van der Sloot was released.
And, also, he was the one who was instrumental in denying the warrants to—for searching the van der Sloots‘ primary residence. You know, that‘s where we talk about these political connections and protecting a political figure. And how deep do they go?
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SCARBOROUGH: It‘s good old boy politics of the worst kind in the Caribbean, obviously.
Let me talk to you about your meeting with a good friend of mine, Bob Riley. I understand you talked to the governor of Alabama. Do you think there may be a possibility down the road that the state of Alabama may take an official position on the boycotting of Aruba, if justice is not served and these three men are not thrown back in jail?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, Joe, I will just say that I had a very productive meeting with Governor Riley. And he has made some requests.
And we are going to sit back now and see if these requests are honored. And I think that he will proceed forward, depending on the results. So...
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SCARBOROUGH: Let‘s hope so.
And final question for you. What‘s your next step? I know you are going back to Aruba. We had this strange statement from the prosecutor‘s office last week that sounded like it may have been encouraging you to file additional charges or maybe make a motion to bring Joran back to Aruba.
What is your next step? What are you going to do first when you get down there? And are you going to possibly file any legal proceedings to try to get this case started back up?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there are several different reasons why we are going and there are going to be two different searches going on.
One is going to be on the island itself, a couple of different areas that Dave has had some concerns about. And then there is going to be another search going on in the water. There have been a couple of areas of concern there. So, thirdly, I think that I‘m hoping to have a meeting with the prosecuting attorney and see if we can‘t iron out some details.
There was a concern of mine that my statement was falsified from June
1. So, that needs to be addressed. There are just some housekeeping duties that they need to face.
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SCARBOROUGH: I‘ll tell you what. Well, good luck trying to clean things up down there. It looks like a total mess.
And I‘ll tell you what, Beth. I think our government needs to step forward. I think the people of America need to step forward and demand justice in Aruba. If Americans get fed up enough and they boycott this island, we could break the back of their tourism industry. And I‘m afraid that is what is going to have to happen if they don‘t start, again, acting in a responsible way and find out what the truth is about your daughter.
So, Beth, thanks for being with us, as always. And let us know what we can do.
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Thank you so much, Joe, OK?
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That's the way it hit me, too. Like he's unsure of Paulus's remark, "no body, no murder.."
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You're making me think again. The thing about Paulus's remark is that it depends on nobody confessing to the crimes that everyone knows to have been committed. Most especially the guilty parties.
I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on
11-01-05 The Abrams Report
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9896554/
ABRAMS: All right. Let me—I want to read you some of Beth‘s statements and I want to have you respond. First of all, this one was specifically directed at you.
I hate that Deputy Dompig is losing focus of the investigation on the perpetrators that perpetrated a gang rape against my daughter. It‘s just unbelievable that they would protect these three perpetrators. I just can‘t imagine them thinking that it‘s going to go away. It just seems like to me it‘s getting worse with each twist that they take.
Your response.
DOMPIG: Well, I regret those statements because I think anybody should understand and can understand that we have made a lot of efforts to conduct a professional investigation and in many cases, we have given the family every chance to sit with us and to take their statements.
And I think Mrs. Twitty was the one who canceled an appointment that we made for her a couple of weeks ago. And I only heard about the cancellation after calling her attorney and so I regret that. And I think that it‘s not true at all.
We have to investigate and as we investigate, we seriously have to look at all angles and we need answers and I don‘t know maybe some people are getting nervous because we want more detailed statements from the Alabama kids and no one is saying that the focus is off these three boys. No. We just need more answers and maybe these answers can also help us to make the case stronger against these three boys...
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ABRAMS: You refer to the Alabama kids. Let me read you what Beth Holloway had to say about that because you‘ve been asking for more statements from her friends who were there with her in Aruba.
DOMPIG: Exactly.
ABRAMS: Beth Holloway say the following.
They have all the statements that they need from the FBI regarding the students being on the island that evening. They just need to look at them. They don‘t need to be advertising for these students to contact them. They have the statements. There‘s nothing else that they need.
DOMPIG: Well, again, I think that she must understand—with all due respect to Mrs. Twitty, she doesn‘t run the investigation. We do. And we ask the questions. If it was the other way around, we could all back up and let the family do the investigation. We are trained to do that.
We had a meeting three days ago with the FBI and we have good progress and we have spoken to the FBI and (INAUDIBLE) that we will ask them officially to assist us with all the investigators and questions we still have (INAUDIBLE) Alabama (INAUDIBLE) and that‘s going to happen and we‘re just going to have a kind of like a no-nonsense approach, not the emotional stuff and I (INAUDIBLE) the family or Mrs. Twitty tries to throw us off track but I am steadfast.
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ABRAMS: When you say she‘s trying to get you off track, I mean is there some dispute as to who the chief suspects are here? I mean you had three people in custody. She believes that those three people are the ones responsible here. Is there any doubt—you arrested them and charged them with the crime, your office did. Do you now have questions about whether they were responsible?
DOMPIG: No, but I need to make the case. And to make the case—in order to make the case, there are more witnesses who left Aruba the same day. So anybody should understand that when you have 120 kids, and even roommates, leaving the crime scene or the country where something happened, anybody should understand and appreciate that we have to get more detailed statements.
The statements we have received are not detailed and (INAUDIBLE) details and we need more statements. And that information that we only discuss with professional agents. Hence, the FBI, not with the family.
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ABRAMS: Let me ask you this. This is—Beth said—quote—“I called Deputy Dompig several times and left my name and number and I cannot even get him to return my phone calls. So hopefully when I land on the island, I will at least find him or run into him.”
Have you seen her down there? And what do you make of that statement?
DOMPIG: Well, again, Mrs. Twitty is in Aruba with a film crew and a large film crew and I don‘t know what the agenda is there. But we need her to make a statement (INAUDIBLE) claiming that we altered her statement in the past. So I offered her a chance to come in for a new statement and we‘re still waiting.
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ABRAMS: I would think...
DOMPIG: No. There‘s no dispute.
ABRAMS: ... you should return...
(CROSSTALK)
DOMPIG: We—no. No, there‘s no dispute. We set the rules. We invite first people to come in to—for statements and it‘s not the other way around.
ABRAMS: Yes, but she‘s also the victim‘s mother. I mean you have to have a responsibility to keep her updated, no?
DOMPIG: Of course, but I insist that we—I need to—her to make her statement first and on the base of that, discuss with the prosecutor, what a meeting would be like with her afterwards. But we need her to come in for a statement first.
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ABRAMS: What do you mean come in for a statement? I mean she‘s given a number of statements, has she not? I mean I know you‘re right that she‘s made an allegation that one of her previous statements were altered. When you say that she needs to come in and give a statement...
(CROSSTALK)
ABRAMS: ... what exactly are you talking about?
DOMPIG: Well, I can only say this. I‘m not willing to go into details but we need her. We still have a couple of questions open and we need her to help us with those blanks and if she really wants to help with the investigation, I think that she should—we have an appointment with her as a matter of fact for Thursday and so we‘re looking forward to her coming in to correct that was supposedly, according to her, statement wrong. And she will get that chance, opportunity and also the fact that we still have other questions, so that we can wrap that up.
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ABRAMS: When you say—I mean just the way you‘re talking Chief it doesn‘t sound like the way I‘m used to hearing the police chief and—talking about the victim‘s mother. I mean it sounds like you‘re saying you have questions that suggest she might have information with regard to the investigation that she‘s not sharing with you?
DOMPIG: No. No. No. I think you‘re misreading me. You should understand that I, as I said in the beginning, I sympathize 100 percent with the mother and with the family. And—but I need to go forward with this investigation and the meeting we had with the FBI was a great meeting.
And the path that we set out to follow is also—we follow that. So
we‘re just moving ahead and I regret once more, I think you can understand
that I really regret, and that‘s maybe the tone of my voice, that I‘m very
you could say, I regret again the fact that the mother comes in—the grieving mother comes in with a film crew and so that I think it would be (INAUDIBLE) to stick with the investigating team so that we can fill up all the blanks instead of coming over with a film crew. I don‘t know what that agenda is about.
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ABRAMS: All right. Finally, I‘ve got to just clear up something else about whether you made some allegations against her about money. Again, this is Beth Holloway saying, when I‘m hearing quotes from Deputy Dompig about me scamming millions of dollars, I feel like I must respond to those. Hopefully, I can find Deputy Dompig and see just where this information is coming from and where he‘s going with it.
Are you accusing her of somehow being involved in a scam?
DOMPIG: Absolutely not. If there‘s any money somewhere for a relief fund or Holloway fund, that‘s none of my business. And—but the only problem that I have and that‘s where I had a question. That it became my business once Mr. Miller and Mr. Dave Holloway had problems (INAUDIBLE) not really problems, but tried to get some things for certain search activities and comp hotel rooms and so on.
So—and other people like Fred Goldberg (ph), the one who came in
with the dogs, also called and tried to find out how he could get his cost
back or who could pay for the searches. And so I don‘t know. I have
questions about who do they turn to and who do they call. And that was the
only thing I had. And other than that, I think that people just turned it
blew it out of proportion. Because that is absolutely not part of the investigation.
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ABRAMS: Finally, last time you were on we were talking about the possibility you might be re-arresting Deepak Kalpoe as a result of that interview...
DOMPIG: Yes.
ABRAMS: ... that he seemed to have done where he said that all three of them had sex with Natalee. Any updates on that?
DOMPIG: Well, we‘re still waiting for Holland to give us the outcome of that test. We are also contemplating an official request to the FBI to also look at the original material. I have—I understood from Mr. Skeeters that that would be the hard disk off his computer. So as we speak we are working on a official request, which is going to be sent to Washington to the prosecutor (INAUDIBLE) where we will request—one is the special equipment that Mr. Dave Holloway wanted to use that probably the FBI has—uses and the other part is also the official assistance in getting more detailed statements from the Alabama teens. So we are moving ahead and as we speak trying to get that into one document because as (INAUDIBLE) pointed out to us, these things have to be done officially.
ABRAMS: Right. All right.
DOMPIG: ... not just picking up a phone.
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ABRAMS: Chief look, I mean I don‘t think you‘d disagree with this. It‘s not going to help the investigation if you and Beth Holloway are at odds in any way. I hope that you reach out to her, that she reaches out to you while she‘s down there and that you‘re able to work out any differences that you had. Because I know that you both are trying to achieve the same goal and that is finding out exactly what happened to Natalee. So Chief, thanks for coming on the program.
DOMPIG: You‘re welcome.
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Joining me now on the phone is Dave Holloway, Natalee‘s father, just back from Aruba. Dave thanks again for taking the time. All right. What do you make of Gerold Dompig‘s comments?
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: Well I arrived on the island on October the 18th and the following day I met with Dompig and he requested the assistance of the FBI, indicated that he would like for them to come back and utilize them as much as he could. So we said well, we‘ll try to see if we can make that happen.
In the meantime, he indicated that we needed to focus our search efforts into the ocean so you know, we‘re not going to waste any time. So we took off along with Tim Miller with EquuSearch and had boats in the water I believe by the weekend and we soon realized that we would need the assistance of the FBI and some of their search equipment, so we forwarded an e-mail to Mr. Dompig on Wednesday, sometime Wednesday requesting that he make a phone call to the FBI so that we can get this underwater equipment.
And I ended up having to leave the island on Thursday and then—and my reports back from those individuals who were left, they felt like the light had been turned out. And so I followed up again Saturday with the same e-mail the you know we‘re all sitting on the bank and we cannot get in the water until we get the assistance of the FBI and that team finally had to leave this past Monday or Tuesday.
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ABRAMS: It sound—look, according to Dompig, he says that he now has spoken with the FBI and they had a very productive conversation, et cetera. I mean is the real divide here occurring over who he wants to interview? I mean he really seems to want to talk to Natalee‘s friends again. What‘s the problem with that?
HOLLOWAY: I don‘t think there is any problem with it, to tell you the truth about it. The FBI arrived on the island Thursday, the same day that I left, and I don‘t know what happened or whatever, but you know the right protocol is to go through the FBI if you want any information in the United States. It‘s that simple and so I don‘t know what the issue is there, to tell you the truth about it.
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ABRAMS: All right. Because as you heard, I mean Beth seems to be suggesting they have the interviews. That there‘s really no need to speak to the friends anymore and there seems to be some issue about whether Beth is going to come in versus whether you know who‘s at fault for the lack of communication between Beth and the authorities there as well.
HOLLOWAY: Yes. Of course they run the investigations and they determine who they want to see and who they want to talk to. So you know without any further information, I don‘t know why they would want to pursue that lead any further. But if there‘s anything needed from the states, I think the FBI is capable of handling it.
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Almost 15 percent less tourists in the first quarter
ARUBA – In the monthly bulletin of April that the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) published recently is stated that in the first quarter of 2006, 14.7 percent less tourists visited Aruba than in 2005.
CBA does not have recent figures on the amount of money the tourists have spent. The last figures that Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) had published were in January of 2005. When CBA published her April bulletin, ATA didn’t have the figures on arriving tourists and the number of staying over tourists for February, March and April yet.
The data in the financial bulletin of April came from the Immigration administration and the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS). The Bank concluded that the number of tourists as well as the room occupancy in the hotels had dropped. The number of cruise tourists in April of 2006 had dropped with 12.9 percent compared to same month last year and 17.1 percent less cruise ships had called on the port of Aruba. The number of tourists that came to Aruba via air dropped with 14.7 percent. This percentage is the result of the difference between the first quarter of 2006 and the same period in 2005. The Bank indicated further that the average room occupancy in hotels dropped to 81.3 percent compared with April of 2005.
As part of financial developments, the Bank reported an increase of money of 32 million florins to an amount of 2474.1 million florins. The increase is attributed to an increase of the number of loans by businesses and mortgages of 1.4 percent (13.6 million florins). Consumer credits decreased with 0.2 percent, which is equal to more or less 1 million florins.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
It's amazing to me that these people will let the island's economy and people suffer this much because of one (or three) kids. This is the best indication to me that there is something much bigger than the Van Der Sloots and Kalpoes going on. Why are they allowing this to happen? Who is really letting this happen?
There is some interesting stuff on the SM Front Page comments section for the Aruba Toursim story. Read the posts made by Grande.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/05/aruban-tourism-down-again-what-will-it-take-to-wake-these-people-up-what-are-they-hiding/#comments
VERY provocative information from Art Wood. I'll comment on just one thing Art said. "Greta had him in a bald faced lie and Greta didn't follow up." My guess is, in order to get Joran to agree to an interview, she promised him there would be no hard ball questions.
Too bad she didn't take a page from Joran's own book, as in, "If you lie, why can't I?" Then have an Art Wood stand in for her at the inteview.
We just might have gotten some truth out of this arrogant scumball, OR, watched him march off the set because he couldn't take the heat.
I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on
10-11-05 Rita Cosby Live
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9671528/
COSBY: New high-tech efforts to find answers tonight in the Natalee Holloway case. And these efforts are going underwater off the island of Aruba to search for any sign of the missing Alabama teen. High-tech underwater surveillance equipment never used before is expected to arrive on the island in just a matter of days.
And joining me now live is the man who‘s responsible for this equipment, Jason Whittle. He‘s the vice president of Ocean Systems Incorporated.
Mr. Whittle, first of all, who contacted you about this equipment?
How‘d you get involved?
JASON WHITTLE, OCEAN SYSTEMS, INC.: Well, we were contacted a couple of weeks ago by a gal that found us on the Internet and asked if we would provide some video equipment.
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COSBY: And what makes this different than the other high-tech sort of devices they‘ve used before underwater?
WHITTLE: Well, it‘s very simple to use. Our equipment is used all over the place. A team of just a couple of people can cover a large area in a small amount of time.
COSBY: Why did it take so long? You know, I mean, we‘re looking at it now, it‘s been four months since she went missing. Why‘d it take so long for you to get involved?
WHITTLE: Well, we were really never aware of what they were looking to do. We were contacted a couple of weeks ago. And once we knew that we might be able to be of assistance, we stepped forward.
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COSBY: Have they given you a sense that there is a point of interest? I know when I was down there we were looking at sort of that point, sort of a direct line, from the fisherman‘s huts, where we believed they spent some time with Natalee. Have you been told that there‘s sort of an area, and how big of an area will you be checking?
WHITTLE: Well, my understanding, that it‘s less than a square mile with the equipment that we‘ve provided. You know, that amount of space can probably be covered, you know, in a week or two. You know, there‘s been all kinds of success stories in the past with areas of similar size.
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Beth, are you hopeful with this new device? It sounds like they have had some success before.
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes, Rita, very. And, you know, there have always been areas of concern in the water. And, you know, from fisherman‘s hut area. And also, September the 30th was the last update that we had gotten from the prosecuting attorney. And, of course, they were doing some dives there. And, so, you know, it‘s always been an area of concern.
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COSBY: Are you going to be guiding this team and sort of giving them, you know, points of interest? It sounds like they‘ve narrowed it—as he said—one square mile. At least that it‘s an area; it‘s not this huge ocean area to go to.
TWITTY: Well, I believe Art Wood will be spending most of his time with them. And, of course, while we‘re there, if we get any new information from the investigators or the prosecuting attorney, we will certainly communicate that with them. And we‘re also hoping that maybe they could communicate with this group that‘s coming to the island. That would be very helpful.
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COSBY: Absolutely. You know, and Art Wood, of course, is the investigator who‘s been working just tirelessly on this case, donating his own time. I mean, he‘s just been amazing down there.
Is he planning to go back there, Beth? And are you planning on it?
What are your plans when you do head down there?
TWITTY: We are going back. And it will be within the next week. And Art will be also arriving about the same time that I am. They‘ll be a couple of different searches going on. One will be concentrating on the water. And the other will be concentrating on some areas of concern on the island itself.
COSBY: Where are those areas of concern on the island? Are some of them the ones that we‘ve talked about, fisherman‘s hut, the lighthouse? Are there new points?
TWITTY: Well, you know, pretty much, Rita, it‘s just the ones that we‘ve already been over. But they just want to be so thorough and see if there‘s any area of concern that they have missed.
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COSBY: How do you think it‘s going to be being back there? You stepped back for a bit, you know, sort of rekindled. You still have so much great support with the folks of Joe Mamana. You‘ve got art.
Do you still feel there‘s definitely still a lot of support and a lot of effort—it‘s almost more than ever—to get some answers now?
TWITTY: Oh, absolutely, Rita. And, you know, I feel like every time I return, it‘s, you know, I expect answers. And I feel like we hit it a little more aggressively each time.
And we expect that, you know, also this new taped confession from Deepak will be utilized. It should arrive in the prosecuting attorney‘s office as early as Thursday. And hopefully, they will act upon this, this new evidence.
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COSBY: You bet. Because some of his statements, particularly of the fact that he said that they all had sex with your daughter, a lot of people are wondering, “Look, are they going to go after rape charges, at least find something to hold these guys on?”
Beth, you know, the other statement came from the prosecutors, too. Suddenly, there it was, late in the day on Friday. And a lot of people think that that was just sort of a preempted strike because they‘re worried about a boycott.
Should they be worried? And how do you feel about a boycott?
TWITTY: Well, you know, Rita, some requests have been made from some officials in Aruba. And they are requests that should be honored. And, you know, I think that we have worked so hard, and we‘ve tried to, you know, have a good working relationship between them and the FBI.
And, you know, they held them at such an assisted mode and really not let them be in a participatory mode, which they should have from the beginning, or we would not be faced with what we‘re facing right now.
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Posted by Debbie at BFN
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4195.0
From MF at freedom of blog:
It says that the Judge decided to close the case and will decide before August 1st.
The main reason he wanted the Prosecutor's office to give him a full report on the case, is that he wanted to know if Joran was still considered a suspect, which Karin failed to give him because there was a new witness and new information. The judge decided this week not to wait any longer and will make his decision this month.
http://www.freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=1640&forum_id=29
"The main reason he wanted the Prosecutor's office to give him a full report on the case, is that he wanted to know if Joran was still considered a suspect, which Karin failed to give him because there was a new witness and new information. The judge decided this week not to wait any longer and will make his decision this month."
Even if the judge in Aruba closes the case, I keep hoping the judge in New York will rule in favor of Kelly for the civil case to go forward. It has been so long now, just keep waiting to hear! Hope it is soon!
I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on
11-14-05 Rita Cosby Live
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10050337/
COSBY: And tonight: The father of the key suspect in the Natalee Holloway case is off the hook, but some people believe he should not be eliminated as a suspect. And our next guest says he may soon have some proof. Late Friday, an Aruban judge said Paul Van Der Sloot is no longer a suspect in the search for the Alabama teen. In fact, Paul Van Der Sloot could even receive damages from the government of Aruba after being held for three days in an Aruban jail.
Joining me now is private investigator T.J. Ward, who has been working hard on this case. T.J., why do you think they sort of let him off the hook too soon?
T.J. WARD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, we really don‘t know. We‘ve been running a parallel investigation after finishing up our assignment with the Holloway-Twitty family in August and returned to Atlanta, and we have incorporated several retired FBI agents through my associate, Harold Phipps, with the Norcross (ph) Group. We sent an e-mail out and got a great response with about 12 federal agents who are familiar with the area down there, who‘s assisting us, and information that we have that he‘s directly involved with this investigation. And we‘re sorry to see that the Aruban government has let him off the hook at this time.
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COSBY: Now, is this information that the Aruban government has, as well, you believe?
WARD: I don‘t believe they have this information. Or if they do, they‘ve got some other source or plan or direction they‘re going in. But the information that we‘re receiving and in the case that we are building all the way from the beginning of us being in Aruba in June, ties Paulus Van Der Sloot directly involved in this case.
COSBY: And T.J., how credible do you believe this information is?
And is it witnesses? Is it evidence? Is it a combination?
WARD: There‘s witnesses and interviews that we‘ve done and information that we have received, most recently as last week, that gives us information that he—there‘s a possibility, a very strong possibility, that he‘s involved.
COSBY: When do you think that all these pieces are going to come together for what you‘re look at T.J.?
WARD: Well, probably within the next month, we will have some good
solid information, and go forth and go public with it, and then we will
turn our information over to the Aruba Government and the FBI
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COSBY: Are the indications that you are getting that he may have played a role in the crime, the cover up or which aspect?
WARD: We think he has played a role in the cover up of her disappearance.
COSBY: How strong do you also still believe that the three boys played a role too from everything that you are getting?
WARD: We believe the boys are directly involved. And again, our theory is that something happened to Natalee, either where she stopped breathing, had a heart attack or whatever.
And in the course of that happening, we think Paul Van der Sloot played a part in the after effect of that in the removal and concealing of Natalee Holloway.
COSBY: Do you believe, real quick T.J., that what you have, could blow this wide open?
WARD: Yes, I do.
COSBY: And you think maybe within a month?
WARD: I would say within the next 30 days, we should have some good solid information that we will be able to go public with it.
COSBY: All right, T.J. please keep us posted. Thank you very much.
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Aruba Web-cams:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1595127/posts?page=1443#1443
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1516416/posts?page=2632#2632
I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
These quotes are from an interview on
7-01-2005 Scarborough Country
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485048/
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it. And everyone knows it, Martin. Every single person, every single person knows that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, you're right, Joe. There are a lot of things going on.
Let's talk about Senator Richard Shelby and the letter that he wrote to Condoleezza Rice. As you may remember, he's demanding that FBI have a more active role in the investigation down here. He wants the secretary of state to make that quite plain to the Aruban government. The response from the Aruban government is to say, look, if the U.S. wants to send 100 FBI agents additionally down here, they are welcome to do so, as long as they are assisting in the investigation.
If the senator wants the FBI to take over the investigation, that's a different matter. And, no, the Aruban government would not allow that to happen.
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SAVIDGE: They looked at an area around the airport, but did not find anything. And then you have the Dutch government announcing late this afternoon, it is sending three F-16 fighter aircraft, it says, to assist in the search for Natalee Holloway. It's not clear how high-performance military aircraft would help, but they should be here probably on Monday.
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SAVIDGE: I sat down and talked to Beth Twitty and George Twitty. That is Natalee Holloway's mom and stepfather. And the first thing we started talking about was this letter from Richard Shelby, the senator, as to how they think this pressure could help.
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Martin, I think it's just a prime example of showing that not only the frustrations that Natalee's family has had in dealing with this situation, but the frustrations that they are beginning to feel now in the United States. You know, now they are—after a month, they are seeing and experiencing the same frustrations that we have been experiencing since May 31.
GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Senator Shelby is pushing this and the United States is pushing this. And they want to send in more people. And he basically said, you can send in 100 in here if you want to. They are welcome in here tomorrow. But they can't do anymore than they have already done.
So, I mean, it's almost like a slap in the face. To me, it's like they are not trying to help us. It's like they don't want our assistance, you know, so...
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SAVIDGE: But what would you like to see them do specifically?
(CROSSTALK)
TWITTY: I would like to see somebody come in here and get involved in the investigation and—and go back and maybe try to sort out some of the things that have happened, like, the first six or seven days that passed before they even arrested the guys, because there's a lot of stuff in there that's very important.
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SAVIDGE: And there is grumbling coming from the states of perhaps ineptness on the part of investigators here and even something more, of perhaps a cover-up. Do you sense that? Do you feel that?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Martin, on June 11, I have it documented in a journal that I've been keeping, that I specifically asked, could a cover-up be involved?
And when you think—when you think back on it now, I must have been
· I must have been on to something and was on to something even earlier than that, but was able to document it in a journal on June 11. And now, when I think of June 29 and I'm hearing the judge saying that, if there's no body, then there's no evidence, you know, what was transpiring during those initial nine days, Martin? What was transpiring?
Who was helping who? Who was coaching who? Who was covering their tracks? You know, it can only now just raise just huge frustration and anger in me now, when I look back on it. And you know what will be even further, to me, damning is when we find out how well—OK. We've got a 17-year-old male sitting in jail.
How—how supported and well-connected is he? It branches out from the three individuals are tied—they are woven into such a tight braid. We've got the father. Now, how much farther does it go from there, Martin? How much more of a net of involvement is going on with this group of individuals? That's what my gut feeling is telling me, that it is far more reaching than just this father and these three individuals.
Now, they had to have additional help, if he's already discussing disposing—or no body? No body is recovered, there will be no evidence? I mean, you know, who all was involved in that?
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SAVIDGE: Are you worried about Monday, Monday, the hearing?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh, absolutely.
TWITTY: Absolutely.
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I'm sick. And I will be physically sick for the next three days, because those three individuals, like I said, it's like three cords woven so tightly together in this.
They—I will be—I will be sick. And, Martin, the things that we have been through during this ordeal would shock and amaze Americans.
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SAVIDGE: What is your fear? What is your nightmare, Beth...
(CROSSTALK)
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: My worst nightmare, that these individuals will be let—will walk and we will still not have any answers.
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SAVIDGE: You think that is a possibility?
TWITTY: It's a possibility.
And that scares me, too, because these three kids are predators. If they let them walk on this island after what Beth and I know, there's a lot of information that we have that we cannot share, because it would jeopardize the investigation. But if they let them walk, we can share it. And it would be devastating.
The United States, the world will be amazed.
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SAVIDGE: Do you still believe she's alive?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Martin, I always have my hope that she is.
I always have my hope.
But there it goes right there. We have to demand and expect that we will get her. That is not an option. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it. And everyone knows it, Martin. Every single person, every single person knows that.
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SAVIDGE: You know, Joe, as you listen to that interview, especially at the end there, you see the great strength that—that Beth Twitty has. And yet, at the same time, you see the fragility of it, as it begins to break just at the very end, as the emotion wells up in her.
And she really does ride a very difficult and very painful emotional edge over these past weeks. Joe?
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SCARBOROUGH: And, you know, Martin, she is such a strong woman. I don't know how she's been able to stay as strong as she has over the past several weeks.
But I want to ask you, I mean, looking at that interview, it seems to me that this family has completely given up hope that they can trust the Aruban government or the Dutch government. They seem very embittered by the entire process. Is that your take?
SAVIDGE: Well, I wouldn't say that they have totally given up hope. I mean, they do believe that there are many great people who are working on their behalf. They always extol the virtues of the Aruban people, who have been tremendously supportive and part of the strength that they have had to continue to hold up, as the family has.
They also believe that the prosecutor is probably working her best, Caren Janssen. But then there are others that they have their doubts about and they worry about whoever the judge may be on Monday and the decision that may be handed down, especially in that decision is to let any of the suspects go.
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Let's go back to Aruba right now and bring in Ruben Trappenberg. He's the spokesperson for the government of Aruba.
Ruben, thank you so much for being with us. This is one of these times when we in America need your help in decoding what's going on down there. Earlier the AP was reporting that the attorney general in Aruba had claimed these young men had already been charged with murder in the case from the earliest days. Now we understand that's not the case, but they may be charged on Monday. Can you clear it up for us tonight?
RUBEN TRAPPENBERG, ARUBAN GOVERNMENT SPOKESPERSON: Yes, Joe.
It's—the attorney—it's not the attorney general—it is the chief prosecutor not being careful enough in her wording of the suspicion. And we have tried to do so from the beginning. The reasons they were suspected, meaning the murder charge—but, again, you get into these words of charge. And that means something in the U.S. It means something different here. And that is where the difficulty comes in.
I know that the AP wire had—you know, it was accurate what they were saying. It's just that, in the semantics, it gets lost. It's a reasonable suspicion. That's what they have. They have a suspicion that these guys did number one, two and three. And that is what they are being held on. That is all it is.
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SCARBOROUGH: A powerful U.S. senator, Richard Shelby from Alabama, Natalee's home state, has been writing letters to the secretary of state, also to Dutch officials and Aruban officials. He's saying this investigation has reached—quote—“a dead end.”
Do you agree with the senator or do you think that there is still progress that could be made in finding Natalee?
TRAPPENBERG: We understand the concern of the senator. It's just that he doesn't have all the facts.
The chief prosecutor just said a day ago that, no, their—the investigation has not hit a dead wall. They are making good progress. And when there is all this talk about, let's get the FBI more involved, the FBI have been here since day one. And that is important to note. And there—maybe he does not have all the details in this case.
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SCARBOROUGH: And, friends, let me just start by saying right now, all of my sources in Washington, D.C.—I'm sorry. I've got to bring this up. All of my sources in Washington, D.C., are telling me that, yes, the FBI officials have been down there from the very beginning. But they've not been allowed to do anything.
Senator Shelby's office not commenting to me, but those letters that they sent out, in the letter that they sent—I think their harshest letter actually was sent to the Dutch ambassador, basically saying there has been a stonewalling down in Aruba. This investigation has been sidetracked from the very beginning. You all need to help us. It's not happening yet.
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Linda, thank you for being with us tonight.
LINDA ALLISON, AUNT OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Thank you, Joe.
(SCARBOROUGH:?) Obviously, Beth is very concerned about the hearing on Monday. She believes this government has been involved, possibly involved in a cover-up from the very beginning. What are your concerns about the Monday hearing?
ALLISON: Well, and, again, as you heard this explanation earlier about how the Dutch law works, it makes it very difficult for us to understand, when you bring somebody in for reasonable suspicion and turn them loose three days later—and I'm referencing to Paul van der Sloot—it's really difficult to understand what—what we're dealing with here.
And again, I explain this—the only way I can understand it is the prosecuting attorney only plays as few cards as possible, so that it doesn't divulge what evidence that they do have.
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SCARBOROUGH: Linda, let me tell you what it looks like from here in America, from our vantage point. It actually looks like you have a prosecutor down there who is being fairly aggressive in some ways, but possibly she may be facing roadblocks from other government officials down there.
Do you sense that? And do you think the prosecutor's office has been aggressive enough? You think there are other roadblocks coming from the Aruban government or possibly the Dutch government?
ALLISON: Well, you have our family attorney that is giving us advice.
And we actually spoke with her this evening before I came on air, just to kind of understand about the report that the AP had said, that there were formal murder charges being brought at this time against the three suspects. And, again, those were charges that were initially brought against these three suspects.
Kind of as a shotgun approach, is the only way I can understand that in layman terms, is, you list all the possible charges that there might be out there. And it could just be kidnapping. And, as more evidence comes in, then you can eliminate some of the other charges. So, it's difficult.
And I think, if there were a lot more communication going on, that we could maybe appreciate and understand what they are doing in the crime—
I'm sorry—in the prosecuting attorney's office. And we are getting a lot of information from the prime minister's office. And, again, there's a separation of governmental agencies, if that—if you will refer to them as that.
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ALLISON: The prime minister doesn't have any control over the Dutch Marines. The police investigators, the police department or police authorities have that control.
And one thing that has bothered me in all this is that, when EquuSearch and the family requested the Dutch Marines to come out and do a joined effort with the EquuSearch, then here, on Thursday, then van Straaten, the police investigator, decides to conduct his own search after three-and-a-half weeks. So, yes, that is a little frustrating from that perspective.
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Art Wood did another interview with Dana Pretzer Saturday evening.
Posted by Sleuth at SM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=10970#10970
From the link:
Dana: Date rape drug by others?
Art: Girl as juvenile came forward and identified two others date raped by this group. Police took statements. One girl told an acquaintence that she changed her statement (Sept 2005) after harassment by Dennis Jacobs. Art was to meet with the girl through her attorney on two occasions and she chickened out. Attorney representing the girl told Art she was date raped by Joran and his friends.
More from the link:
Dana: What about the ATM witdrawal.
Art: There is absolutely no way to know if Paulus made a withdrawal or not. On May 30, Paulus told Beth, Jug and friends (at least 5 people) that he picked up Joran at 4 am - Beth has this written in her diary.
When his statement was transcribed it comes back as 10 pm the night of the 29th. Paulus's statement has always been that he and Joran went to poker tournament. He was losing, turned his hand to Joran and went home. Joran called and Paulus picked up at McDonalds. Beth has recorded all people, phone numbers, everything about the case. All (Beth, Jug, friends hear 4 am).
Also at blackjack there is a player that looks like Paulus - that is totally contrary to every statement he has given.
If it is him that is the first big lie that we know he has told.
Dana: As lying by a witness is considered an obstruction, why didn't this dictate charges agains Joran and K2?
Art: It should have dictated charges - they lied and there is no reason to fabricate the lie unless they know what happened. Evidence includes lies - they count. They all know what happened to her.
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