Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 19

in fact, i'll chip in $1000

99 others and we own the house

Although Arubans do not feel this is fair, now the moment has arrived to conclude that perhaps the mismanagement of island leaders, as well as some in the judicial field, who do not know how to correctly deal with the American media, can be guilty of this ‘lack of good judgment’.

For you to raise your voice and tell our main clients (Americans) for them to kiss our behinds, is very probably what has put us in the position to start to feel the economic pain that is barely now showing itself

On 11-4 DAVE HOLLOWAY told “FoxNews
DAVE said that just last week DOMPIG asked him again “How much money do you have?, and how long can you continue searching for your daughter? Most of these cases, we’d have quite searching long ago,’ That’s when I decided ‘We need a change.’ “ DAVE said when he left ARUBA on 10-27 all communication from the ARUBANS to the search team stopped.

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 5

Guests: Jossy Mansur; Joe Tacopina; Les Levine; Dave Holloway; Grady Judd; Peter King; Russ Ferguson; Houston Baker; Lisa Pinto; Vito Colucci; Philip Russell

Excerpt...
RITA COSBY, HOST: But first, a huge exclusive in the Natalee Holloway investigation. Tonight, we have exclusive information from a man who says that he sold drugs to Natalee Holloway the night she died. We‘re going to have more on that in just a moment because we have also learned tonight that Aruba‘s police chief, Gerold Dompig, is now reportedly off the Holloway investigation altogether.

Here‘s what he said to us in a previous interview.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: I want to state once more that I still believe that these boys have been lying. They‘re still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there‘s no doubt in my mind that they know something, they are guilty of something. I just don‘t know what they are guilty of.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And joining us now by phone with the big news from Aruba is Jossy Mansur with Aruba‘s “Diario” newspaper. Jossy, what are you hearing as to why he was taken off the case?

Jossy, if you can hear me? Jossy? And we‘re trying to get Jossy Mansur. Of course, we‘re calling him from Aruba, the lines are, of course, a little difficult. We will get him in a moment. But Jossy Mansur from Aruba‘s “Diario” newspaper reporting that Gerold Dompig, the chief, has apparently been removed from the case. We also got separate information on that, as well, and we‘re going to have that information in a moment and explain as to why maybe it all happened.

But first, let‘s also go to another exclusive. These are some details that you will only right here LIVE AND DIRECT. A self-admitted drug dealer who is a known relative of Chief Gerold Dompig makes some stunning claims. He told our own producer who is in Aruba that not only did he see Natalee Holloway the night that she vanished, but that he also sold her drugs.

In an off-camera interview, here is part of his stunning account of that night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you meet Natalee?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you meet Natalee?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I know about the hotel room. I know about the hotel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About the what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The hotel room. Her—her departure from where she was left to the hotel room, right? But she was on the way to here, and she reached (ph). And I was down there.

Everybody wants to know where she‘s buried, like...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, that‘s not what we‘re asking!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... dig her up—no!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn‘t ask that question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You won‘t get that answer!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And again, that was with our producer. Before we go to the explanation of that, let me go first, if I could, to Jossy Mansur really quickly because I understand we got him back on the phone. Jossy, first tell us about Gerold Dompig.

JOSSY MANSUR, “DIARIO”: Yes.

COSBY: What are you hearing as to Gerold Dompig, Jossy?

MANSUR: Well, he‘s been replaced officially, and a new man is taking over the investigation. His name is Adolph Richardson (ph), or Dolphy Richardson, as we call him. He‘s a man of good reputation, very active, very energetic. And we hope that the case will move forward with him in a pace that hasn‘t happened before in the past.

COSBY: And Jossy, real quick, you‘re saying that he has been taken off the case. What again is the reason that you‘re saying he‘s been fired from the case?

MANSUR: Because he‘s given out too many declarations that are contradictory, to begin with. They‘ve had a lot of problems with him on other aspects in—in the investigation. He says, on the one side, that this girl is under this and this and that, that these people never—the suspects never admitted to anything. On the other side, he says that they admitted very clearly to having had sexual activity with the girl.

So all these contradictions have given the case and him and the police investigators a bad light, so much so that in Holland, the criminal experts, criminology experts in Holland have severely criticized as unprofessional the people who have been investigating this case, and they were especially harsh with Dompig.

COSBY: All right. Well, Jossy, please keep us posted. And again, Jossy Mansur, reporting from Aruba‘s “Diario” newspaper, again, that Gerold Dompig, of course, who‘s the chief investigator on this case, has been removed for some of his contradictory statements that he‘s made to the press and a number of other people.

Let me now bring in Joran Van Der Sloot‘s attorney, Joe Tacopina, and also a well-known private investigator who is working with him, Les Levine.

Both of you, before we get started, let me play again—this is again

this is a well-known sort of self-admitted drug dealer on the island, so of course, we‘ve got to couch it that way, but somebody who is also a known relative, the brother-in-law of Chief Gerold Dompig. And this is what he told our producer, again, in an off-camera interview. I want to play it again because these are some very powerful claims, at this point.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you meet Natalee?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you meet Natalee?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I know about the hotel room. I know about the hotel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About the what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The hotel room. Her—her departure from where she was left to the hotel room, right? But she was on the way to here, and she reached (ph). And I was down there.

Everybody wants to know where she‘s buried, like...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, that‘s not what we‘re asking!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: And Joe, you know, of course, the suggestion here is by this guy that if she went back to the hotel room, that they‘re not going to find a body somewhere, that—different events from all these other accounts that we‘ve heard this night. Joe, what‘s your reaction to this?

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT‘S ATTORNEY: Well, you know, when you couple what this guy just said—and this, as you just said, is a well-known drug dealer on the island, it‘s a fellow named Boody (ph), who, by the way, happens to be the brother-in-law of Chief Dompig—and you know, I don‘t think it‘s coincidental that yesterday, there was a report that was released regarding the key swiping, a key that was issued to Natalee being swiped in the 3:00 o‘clock hour or 3:20 in the morning. And then we have today news that this individual, Boody, who‘s the brother-in-law of Chief Dompig, is now on tape saying he knows about her going from where she was left to the hotel room.

You know, I think—why was this person not looked into for the last 10 or 11 months? And you want to look at a conflict of interest, Rita. This individual is married—his sister is married to Chief Dompig. Now, look, you know, again, we‘re connecting dots here, but that seems to be, you know, the thing to do in this case. And this is hard-core evidence.

I mean, yesterday we had the Dutch police report that talked about—you know, that you‘ve seen, Rita, that talks about a key that was issued, a hotel key issued to Natalee Holloway. Whether she swiped it or not, it was swiped at 3:22 and 3:36 that morning. This guy just said that he knows about when was left at the beach to the hotel room.

And Chief Dompig‘s related to this guy, and he‘s released or resigned today or fired, whatever. You know, I—this case is in such a state of disarray, and it‘s really a shame for everyone involved. It‘s not fair to the Holloway family, it‘s not fair to my client. You know, I‘ve also heard today that the Aruban authorities or a spokesperson made an announcement that Joran is no longer the prime suspect.

You know, I mean, they—it‘s like they switch with the winds in this case, and it‘s really ridiculous. The distortions, Rita, of fact and reality in this case, made through (INAUDIBLE) statements is overwhelming to me. And I‘ve never seen the likes of it.

Hopefully, this new investigator will come in, right the wrong, look at whoever they need to look at, based on hard-core evidence like police reports, witness statements, things that I‘ve seen that I‘ve not heard talked about on the airwaves. And hopefully, they‘ll then go after or investigate, I should say, the people that should be investigated, regardless of relationships those people may have with anyone else.

COSBY: I agree. And in fact, let me go through really quickly—I‘m going to bullet-point a couple of these things. And Les, I‘m going to have you respond on this. This is a couple of the other things. Again, this guy‘s a self-admitted drug dealer, but as Joe points out, this guy is the brother-in-law of Chief Dompig. And we do know that he was investigated by authorities, so authorities knew of some of this information.

He told our producer—he claims that Natalee approached him on the first night, asking where to buy drugs and alcohol. He also claims that he sold Natalee and the other girls on the trip the drug ecstasy. And he also claims that Natalee was on drugs the night that she disappeared, and he was worried about her behavior.

Les, how important could this be? And again, you got a question of credibility of this guy, but it is interesting—Dompig‘s released from his duties. This guy‘s his brother-in-law. There‘s something funny here.

LES LEVINE, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, it would seem to me—pardon me, Rita, but my voice is going. But it would seem to me that he should be the prime suspect going into this thing, and the police used tunnel vision in an attempt to focus on our client, Joran, and disregard all the other elements that would go into a proper investigation.

In addition, this guy Boody says that he has information regarding Natalee Holloway that he‘ll willing to sell. I mean, if that doesn‘t implicate him in this crime, then nothing does.

COSBY: You know, Joe, how do you prove it? And again, if this guy‘s trying to sell his story, you got to question his credibility. But how do prove that these claims are true from this guy?

TACOPINA: Well, you know, that‘s—I guess, with good hard-core investigation, you know, like police are supposed to do. They get a claim, you determine whether it‘s truthful or not by looking at the badges of credibility—corroboration, things such as—you know, he said she went back to the hotel after, you know, she was left at the beach. Well, then you look to the hotel, you know, and see if there‘s any records of those keys being used. Now, again, we don‘t know who used that key that was issued to Natalee at 3:20 in the morning. We just don‘t.

But listen to what he‘s saying coupled with that—and you know, one thing about his credibility—you certainly have to question it—he did not know he was being recorded, Rita. And there‘s something in the law that overcomes what they call hearsay, which is a statement that‘s made against penal interest. There seems to be, the courts acknowledge, the law understands that there‘s a higher level of credibility when one is making a statement against their own penal interest because there‘s really no motives to want to do that.

COSBY: And also, Joe...

(CROSSTALK)

COSBY: ... just state for the record, too, Joe, that he just said he did not want to be seen on camera. So of course, that—you know, he also sort of put that restriction, but didn‘t knew (ph) he was speaking willingly to our producer...

LEVINE: Yes, Rita, let...

(CROSSTALK)

LEVINE: Rita...

TACOPINA: Wait a minute, Les. Let me just say this one last thing. And you know, this Frances Ellen Bird (ph), who was interviewed on your air, on MSNBC, who was one of the roommates of Natalee, way back in June of last year, June of last year, said—and it seemed insignificant, maybe, at the time, but said that she saw Natalee back in her hotel room that night. Now, I don‘t know if all these pieces have been put together, Rita, but seems that they need to take a real fresh look at this investigation.

COSBY: And guys, that‘s going to have to be the last word. I got to bring in Dave Holloway real quick because I got to get reaction to all these big developments. Dave, I know you‘re on the phone. Real quick, what is your reaction? And again, this is, you know, self-admitted drug dealer, but the fact that he‘s the brother-in-law of Gerold Dompig, what does this say to you, Dave?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE‘S FATHER: Well, we need to clear up a little of the smoke and mirrors problem. I provided the police with the documents that they‘re referring to, the hotel keys, as a matter of fact. Beth obtained those immediately upon arriving on the island and then provided me with a copy that I provided to the police.

Joe failed to mention that that same code was used again at 11:02 AM and 11:08 AM prior to them getting on—or leaving to the airport. So key number one, which we feel like Natalee used, was last used at 8:30 PM the prior night. So that key was not used again after the trip was over.

COSBY: No, that‘s interesting...

HOLLOWAY: Again, this guy named Boody, there was probably literally 10,000 blond-headed girls on the island at that time. I even had trouble identifying who was who. You know, and we interviewed him five or six times during the course of the summer, never mentioned, then all of a sudden, he has a clear memory. I don‘t buy it. He was higher than a kite most of the time we talked to him. So I think that‘s a bought (ph) witness. I think it‘s, again, some more of the propaganda that they‘re putting out.

COSBY: You know, Dave, what do you—it‘s so weird to us that he‘s

the brother-in-law of Gerold Dompig. How strange is that to you, too, and

you know, and now hearing this word that Dompig‘s released from the case?

HOLLOWAY: You know, I provided the prosecutor with two other witnesses just recently that has a lot clearer picture of what this Boody guy (INAUDIBLE). Whether they take any action on it, I‘m just waiting to see.

COSBY: Well, Dave, you please keep us posted because, boy, do you deserve answers more than anyone, you and Beth. Thank you, everybody, very much.

Ping to # 1446, Rita Cosby's show April 5th.

Dompig's brother-in-law, taco-ping-pong, and Dave Holloway.

joe tacopinacollada is such a total slime lizard i wonder why any young mind would want to pursue law for any reason other than the money--it sure isn't character and nobility after watching pinacollada do his garbled logic act...just total lowlife tactics

dompig and his brother-in-law may soon be sharing the same cell as aruba attempts to make this fiasco all his fault now--dompig's going to jail is actually more likely than any of the Raping Arubans Four being put there again.

"TACOPINA: Wait a minute, Les. Let me just say this one last thing. And you know, this Frances Ellen Bird (ph), who was interviewed on your air, on MSNBC, who was one of the roommates of Natalee, way back in June of last year, June of last year, said—and it seemed insignificant, maybe, at the time, but said that she saw Natalee back in her hotel room that night. Now, I don‘t know if all these pieces have been put together, Rita, but seems that they need to take a real fresh look at this investigation."

I remember this very well......she was prodded to go further than she did....which was ONLY that Natalee had been seen at the hotel that night.....the host (Scarborough, I think) tried to get her to specify exactly what she meant, i.e. at the casino before CnC's, or REALLY later, such as after departing CnC's........her final response was "I'll just leave it like that" after Scarborough invited her to clarify but invoked the end of the segment saying she would need to be quick.

Probably all of you remember it, but there's what I remember......all too well, btw! Yacopinas statement about it is factually correct, but selfservingly omits the time-constrained circumstances at the time.

I am sure that Beth/Dave/FBI/etc have clarified and documented this with Frances VERY soon after her appearance.

You know, I‘ve also heard today that the Aruban authorities or a spokesperson made an announcement that Joran is no longer the prime suspect.?????

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So could this be a clue to what Natalee might have been given?

He told our producer—he claims that Natalee approached him on the first night, asking where to buy drugs and alcohol. He also claims that he sold Natalee and the other girls on the trip the drug ecstasy. And he also claims that Natalee was on drugs the night that she disappeared, and he was worried about her behavior.

HOLLOWAY:So I think that‘s a bought (ph) witness. I think it‘s, again, some more of the propaganda that they‘re putting out.

this is snipped from "Scarborough Country transcript of Jun 2.......either this transcript is edited or she appeared a second time on his show.....what I remember happened LATER than jun 2, I think

SCARBOROUGH: Let me ask you, Frances Ellen, when is the last time you saw her?

BYRD: That night.

SCARBOROUGH: Yes, you saw her the night...

BYRD: I was with her that night.

SCARBOROUGH: You were with her that night.

BYRD: Yes. Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?

BYRD: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

SCARBOROUGH: Saw her that night.

BYRD: Right.

YODER: Yes. Absolutely.

SCARBOROUGH: All right.

Well, Frances Ellen, thank you so much for being with us tonight.

Mark, thank you. And, of course, our prayers are going to be with you, with Natalee and with Natalee‘s family on this very important search.

BYRD: Thank you. Thank you so much.

(CROSSTALK)

YODER: We really encourage everyone to pray. Thank you.

BYRD: Pray for Natalee. She is coming home.

YODER: Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: All right. Thank you so much.

Now let‘s turn to the investigation.

With me now is Candice DeLong, former FBI profiler.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8083810

Post #1450 should be:
JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT‘S ATTORNEY:
You know, I‘ve also heard today that the Aruban authorities or a spokesperson made an announcement that Joran is no longer the prime suspect.?????

its probably dompig's brother-in-law that the aruban authorities are going to try and pin it on now...they seem to have a real preference for pointing the finger at black folks

they probably feel that joran was just preacticing lying for the day he finally gets in on the aruban graft, and, of course, on aruba, that would not be a crime, just practice for a crime

dompigs wife (and therefore brother-in-law) is black?

I don't know the answer to the above, but I DO know that they just handed the entire case over to Richardson, who IS black.

I DO know that they just handed the entire case over to Richardson, who IS black

It is hard telling what direction Aruba is going in right now, but I do think it shows they are really feeling the affects of the boycott.

Thought this was an interesting post at SM. Will watch to see if it pans out.

Easywriter
Monkey Junkey

Joined: 08 Jan 2006

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Security guards?

Leslie Sprenger wrote:
Easywriter: Will we be happy when we hear the news?

Not sure, I’ve just heard that the tips are starting to pour in now and each is being checked out. One seems to be from a solid source that might pull the guards back into the mix. Too sketchy right now and unverified.

I am hoping that people with info that might have held back for fear and distrust of the Dutch and aruban elite who have choreographed this thing so far will now risk telling what they know (assuming that Richardson is a straight shooter, of course).

It's a distraction. Don't be distracted.

He told our producer—he claims that Natalee approached him on the first night, asking where to buy drugs and alcohol.

These statements from this druggie/drug dealer Bootie-tootie, brother-in-law of Dumbpiggg, coming forward at this late date, asking for money in exchange for his story, is someone who my only response to him is: "Consider the source".

So could this be a clue to what Natalee might have been given?

My guess is she was given date-rape drugs along with that very potent whisky that Joran bought for her.

One seems to be from a solid source that might pull the guards back into the mix. Too sketchy right now and unverified

Let me see if I understand this correctly.
The 3 said they never dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn, therefore the guards never should have even been involved in the first place. Now there is this that says they may pull the guards back into the mix. I am confused.