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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 8
Various News Outlets | 7/19/05

Posted on 07/19/2005 10:21:13 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; equusearch; joran; kalpoes; natalee; nataleeholloway; vandersloots
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Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)

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Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody

Three more arrested in the Natalee Holloway, Aruba missing girl probe

Blond Hair Found on Aruba Shore to Be Tested in Case of Missing U.S. Teen (attached to duct tape...

1 posted on 07/19/2005 10:21:16 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; countryconservative; maggief; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

DNA Tests To Be Run On Hair

July 19, 2005, 09:53 AM

DNA tests to be run on blond hair to see if it came from Natalee Holloway

The FBI is planning to conduct its own tests on long blond hairs that could be connected to the case of an Alabama teen missing in Aruba.

An Aruba parks spokesman says a ranger found several strands of hair -- each about 12 inches long -- stuck to duct tape near a series of coastal caves. The area is on the opposite side of the island from where 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was last seen in public in May.

The hair is being sent to the Netherlands for DNA testing. An FBI spokeswoman says the agency's tests will be done at its lab in Quantico, Virginia. It's not known when any results would be released

2 posted on 07/19/2005 10:23:41 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: GarySpFc

Mark


3 posted on 07/19/2005 10:30:04 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: TexKat

Mark Twain.


4 posted on 07/19/2005 10:32:09 AM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: GarySpFc

Last night on FOX, I heard Natalie's mother make some comment about it being odd about a hairbrush showing up around the same time the hairs were found. I just caught the end of it and wasn't sure if I heard right. Anyone know anything about this--or was I dreamin'?


5 posted on 07/19/2005 10:33:48 AM PDT by Pure Country
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To: TexKat

Hi TexKat. Thanks for starting a clean thread. Do you mind if repost something over here? Was hoping to get some input into a theory about some of the evidence. Is it bad form to carry a post over?


6 posted on 07/19/2005 10:33:52 AM PDT by truthluva ("Courage is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: auboy

Mark Fuhrman.


7 posted on 07/19/2005 10:34:02 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Big Jake

Ping


8 posted on 07/19/2005 10:34:12 AM PDT by Big Jake
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To: Pure Country

I didn't hear that. The only show I saw last night was Greta's. Didn't see Beth there. Greta had Jug on last night.


9 posted on 07/19/2005 10:35:12 AM PDT by truthluva ("Courage is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Pure Country

I heard Beth mention the hairbrush
showing up at the same time as the
hair strands w/tape.

(If you dreamed it....We had the
same dream.) LOL


10 posted on 07/19/2005 10:36:26 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: truthluva

Maybe I saw Beth on Nancy Grace's
show. I watched Greta & Nancy.


11 posted on 07/19/2005 10:37:48 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: truthluva

Hi ya TL. Thanks TK for starting a new thread.


12 posted on 07/19/2005 10:38:47 AM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: the Deejay

LOL!


13 posted on 07/19/2005 10:41:40 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Malichi

Hi Malichi. Just how hot is the temp down there today?


14 posted on 07/19/2005 10:41:41 AM PDT by truthluva ("Courage is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva

I checked Nancy Grace's transcipt
from last night. She interviewed
Jug but not Beth.

Could she have been on Hannity &
Colmes?

I know I saw Beth on one of the
programs last night......
I think they're all running
together in my memory bank. LOL


15 posted on 07/19/2005 10:43:12 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: truthluva

I thought I heard Beth had GIVEN a hairbrush of Natalee's awhile back but maybe I heard wrong-I was doing dinner and everyone talking.


16 posted on 07/19/2005 10:43:28 AM PDT by LYSandra
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To: Pure Country

They were discussing the hairbrush last night at SM. What was being reported there was that LE returned Natalee's hairbrush to Beth about the same time the duct tape was discovered. Beth was upset about it.


17 posted on 07/19/2005 10:44:27 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: TexKat

I have wondered all along if the (revised) story about Joran and Natalee being dropped off on the beach near the Marriotts wasn't a red herring. It conventiently allows for an explanation of how Natalee could have been on her own, and thus victimized by a stranger. Thus, it is really just an improvement on the original lie the three men told about dropping her off at her hotel. This is how liars think -- version one didn't quite work, so let's amend it a bit. I suspect all the time spent searching this area has been wasted.


18 posted on 07/19/2005 10:47:04 AM PDT by joylyn
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To: Krodg
OK, just what is Aruba LE up to?

I don't even want to venture a guess, but you can imagine what I'm thinking...

sw

20 posted on 07/19/2005 10:51:23 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: TexKat

It makes sense that Joran wouldn't lead them to the area where Natalee was killed/disposed of. He'd say they were somewhere else, distant from where she died. Dr. Michael Baden last night on Greta's show said that the recent storm might have churned up the sea bed and released forensic evidence. Amazing....like the Peterson case. I hope to God it's Natalee's hair and they find Joran or PVD's fingerprints on the duct tape.


21 posted on 07/19/2005 10:52:46 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Krodg

Do you know what the source for that information was? Or, who at SM originally posted it? I go there sometimes and would like to follow that discussion. I posted a theory back on Thread 7 that relates to that. If that info came from some MB people I would like to read over it. Do you know which thread at SM had this discussion?


22 posted on 07/19/2005 10:55:22 AM PDT by truthluva ("Courage is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: All
Nancy Grace for July 18, 2005, CNNHN

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, breaking news. We go live to Aruba. Is there a major break in the case of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old American girl who went missing the very last night of her high school senior trip on the tiny island of Aruba? Blonde hair discovered on duct tape on an Aruban beach sent off the island for DNA testing. Does it belong to Natalee Holloway? Plus, Aruban police take the judge`s son, Joran Van Der Sloot, back to the beach to reenact the story he told the cops about the night he claims he left Natalee alone on the beach.

Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. And I want to thank you for being with us tonight.

But first, tonight, we go live to Aruba, breaking news. It`s day 50 - - five-zero -- on the Natalee Holloway missing girl case. Strands of blonde hair, dark duct tape, a beach in Aruba. Is this hair Natalee`s? FBI and Dutch authorities testing the hair to see if it belongs to the 18- year-old blonde honor student from Alabama.

Tonight, in Birmingham, Natalee`s stepdad Jug Twitty is with us; in Aruba, editor and publisher of "Exclusivo" magazine, Jacqueline Suttle; in New York, forensic scientist Dr. Larry Kobilinsky and defense attorney Jason Oshins; in Atlanta, veteran trial lawyer Renee Rockwell; in New York, psychotherapist Dr. Robi Ludwig.

But first, let`s go to Birmingham and WBMA-TV reporter, Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, bring us up-to-date.

ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA REPORTER: Well, Nancy, as you`ve mentioned, on Sunday a piece of duct tape with blonde hair was found on the northern side of the island. That`s where the caves are, actually the opposite side where Natalee Holloway was last seen.

That, of course, if you remember, was on the hotel side, at the Marriott, as Joran Van Der Sloot has mentioned. DNA testing is being performed in Holland because Aruba does not have the capability to do the DNA testing on those hair strands.

And another thing that happened, Joran Van Der Sloot was taken to the beach on Sunday to possibly reenact or tell investigators exactly what happened the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. He`s done this for the second time.

Before this, in early July, he was taken to the beach and was asked by authorities what happened. We do not know what he told them. That time and this time again, the authorities have been very secretive about what they`ve been finding out.

Also, Dave Holloway, he`s on the plane right now going back to his Mississippi. Natalee`s dad has tried to meet with Joran, as he says to try to get the truth out of the 17-year-old. But he was not allowed to the jail.

Although he ran into the Van Der Sloots, the parents of Joran at the jail, I`m told that they had a brief conversation. Dave gave them three books. One of the books was the Bible. The second book was "Purpose- Driven Life."

He said he just wants to know the truth and, of course, he and Mr. Van Der Sloot have spoken. He said he told Mr. Van Der Sloot that, "I want to know the truth about my daughter." Mr. Van Der Sloot says, "I stand by my son, just like any parent would."

GRACE: I want to go very quickly to Aruba. Standing by, the reporter with "Exclusivo" magazine, Jacqueline Suttle.

Jacqueline, do we know how many hair approximately were on that duct tape?

JACQUELINE SUTTLE, "EXCLUSIVO" MAGAZINE: Hi, Nancy. The information we have so far is that it`s true. Duct tape has been found on a national protected area here on the island with some strands of blonde hair.

The fact is also that information I got was that this duct tape doesn`t seem to have the wear and tear of a month. So I think we should not rush to judgment and let the DNA bring out the results, if this is Natalee`s hair.

GRACE: Take a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I go back to the beginning of the investigation. And you know, I think of what the -- all four of the individuals are involved in -- when you`re involved in obstruction of justice, and lying to authorities, and implicating innocent people.

I mean, I certainly wish those were enforceable laws to some degree, because I feel that all four of those were occurring early on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Now there is a woman, a mother who has gone down to Aruba to find her girl. And she`s not only taking on the Aruban authorities, but everyone, it seems.

She was forced to give some kind of apology last week because she dared to criticize the Aruban investigation of the disappearance of her girl, Natalee Holloway, still there on Aruba looking for her girl.

Very quickly, I want to go to Jug Twitty. This is Natalee`s stepdad, Beth`s husband.

Jug, do we know that it is four hairs on the duct tape?

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: That`s what I`ve been told. I was told that there`s not enough hair to send some to the United States and some to Holland, so...

GRACE: Now, it`s my understanding they had, in fact, split it up. And Jug, question to you. I understand that the hair is about 12 inches long, correct?

TWITTY: That`s what I was told.

GRACE: How long was Natalee`s hair?

TWITTY: Probably about that length.

GRACE: And, Jug, explain to me again, where was the double tape found in relation to where Natalee was staying?

TWITTY: Now, that I don`t know, Nancy. Since I wasn`t there yesterday when they found all this, I don`t know that.

GRACE: I`m going to go back then to Jacqueline Suttle with "Exclusivo" magazine. Jacqueline, where was the duct tape found in relation to where Natalee was staying?

SUTTLE: I would say, in minutes of distance, probably 25 minutes. It`s almost in the middle. It`s a protected national area of the island.

And, Nancy, I must say that there isn`t any fact that it was one piece of hair that was 12 inches long. These are not facts. These are assumptions.

GRACE: Assumptions by who?

SUTTLE: Assumptions that you bring up yourself, because I`m a press here in Aruba. And we have access to a lot of information. We dig for information. And so far, information we got is that it is not one string of hair...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: OK, Jacqueline, Jacqueline...

SUTTLE: ... any information of the size either, so...

GRACE: ... Jacqueline...

SUTTLE: I think it should -- Nancy...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Jacqueline, I`m reading it right here in an A.P. wire. That`s called the Associated Press.

Very quickly to Dr. Kobilinsky. The A.P. has reported -- and I have no reason to think that the A.P., the Associated Press, has made up a story about Natalee Holloway`s hair. Dr. Kobilinsky, this theory that the tape that Jacqueline has just told us about doesn`t show the wear and tear that you would expect.

You know, it`s only been 50 days. With tape that could possibly have been in a cave, behind a rock, under a rock, who knows where, what kind of wear and tear do you expect to find on a piece of duct tape?

LARRY KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Nancy, I don`t think you can draw any conclusions about how old the tape is.

GRACE: I mean, can you date duct tape, for Pete`s sake?

KOBILINSKY: You cannot. And what we have to remember here is that this was found on Boca Tortuga, on the opposite side of the island to the Marriott area. And quite frankly, we still don`t know if this is significant, whether it really is Natalee`s hair, or it`s simply debris that washed ashore.

However, I can tell you this, that testing hair for mitochondrial DNA requires only less than an inch. In fact, one to two centimeters is all that is required to do mitochondrial DNA.

And I can tell you this, that the laboratory in Amsterdam is a top- notch forensic institute. It is an excellent lab.

GRACE: How do you know that?

KOBILINSKY: I know the people that are running the lab. It is an excellent lab. The FBI would have no problems with conclusions drawn by that lab.

GRACE: Mitochondrial DNA with hair. Everybody, you can make a comparison to hair, but you can`t make an exact DNA match, unless there is a root from the hair. From that, you get what we call mitochondrial DNA. It is traced back through the mother.

Now, once again, in front of me, I have the A.P. wire.

Dusty, if you want to come over.

It says, "The ranger who made the find, Mario Rasmijn, said there were several strands, each one 12 inches long, and some are light blonde, others were dark."

OK, let`s talk about it very quickly. Dr. Kobilinsky, say we have a root, we have a root of -- I mean, the reality is, this may not be her hair. But if it is...

KOBILINSKY: If it is...

GRACE: ... how do we make the comparison? Do we need the mom`s hair?

KOBILINSKY: Well, first of all, if there`s a root, we can do nuclear DNA testing and we can find out absolutely if its hers or not. On the other hand, if we don`t have a root, what we can do is mitochondrial DNA testing. And that will take about a week or so. It`s not something that will just happen overnight.

GRACE: So mitochondrial takes longer than regular?

KOBILINSKY: It absolutely takes longer.

GRACE: OK. Very quickly to Jug Twitty. This is Natalee`s stepdad.

Jug, how did Beth, your wife, Natalee`s mom, respond when she found out about the duct tape with the hair on it?

TWITTY: She didn`t. I mean, Nancy, we`ve been through this so many times with different findings down there. It`s just -- we`ve been through the emotional highs and lows. And this does not, you know, get us excited one way or another, because we`ve gone through so many things like this.

GRACE: Jug...

TWITTY: We want to find out things with the investigation.

GRACE: Hey, you`re preaching to the choir. Remember when they leaked that there was blood in the -- blood found on a mattress. It was a dog`s blood. Last week there were bones; they were donkey bones. First, we heard there was a confession. That was retracted.

Robi Ludwig, how is Beth Holloway? I saw a picture of her this weekend in a magazine. She looked so thin and so frail, but she`s got the voice of a lion. She just keeps on.

How? How do you keep on?

DR. ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: It`s the strength of a mother that will do anything to find out the truth, when it comes to their child. And she has done an amazing job describing the torture that she has gone through and what it means to her to have people reach out to her. So she`s really an incredible woman.

GRACE: I want to let everyone know that we invited the families of Joran Van Der Sloot, the Kalpoe brothers, the prosecutors to come on tonight. They do not want to comment on the case.

When we get back, we`re going to be speaking to Natalee`s stepfather about Natalee`s dad meeting up with the judge`s son, Joran Van Der Sloot`s dad, in the parking lot of the jail. Why would the authorities in Aruba refuse to let Natalee`s father speak to the chief suspect?

Stay with us.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE`S FATHER: We don`t know that the whole story. All we really know for a fact is they left Carlos and Charlie`s. After that, it`s a lot of speculation and a lot of fill-in-the-blanks.

If you and I were involved in something, and then I come to you and ask you to make up a story about, "We dropped her off at the Holiday Inn," wouldn`t you ask questions of why, if you were not involved in something, why would you make up the story? This is the 15th story he`s told, and the Marriott story may not even be true at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think the world knows that all of them know more than they`re saying. And that`s why this case is where it is today. Everybody is concerned that, you know, why are they not getting the answers? Those boys have the answers, you know? They know what they did with Natalee.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Is there a break in the Natalee Holloway case? Duct tape found by a park ranger has blonde hair, darker hair on it, the hair about 12 inches long.

Let me quickly go to Anastasiya Bolton with WBMA-TV. Anastasiya, so much happened over the weekend. What can you tell us about, a, the father`s meeting in the jail parking lot, and, b, about the books that were handed over by Natalee`s father to Joran Van Der Sloot`s dad, the judge?

BOLTON: I`ve heard from the stepmom, Dave`s wife, that Dave went to meet Joran at the jail and he was refused that meeting. But he was telling the parents that he met Joran`s parents and he just wanted to talk to Joran and just to get the truth, just the facts.

He said he`s a forgiving man. He just wants to know what happened to his daughter. And since he was refused the meeting, he passed along the Bible and the "Purpose-Driven Life," which was, of course, read by millions of people around the world at this point.

We do not know if the books had actually gotten to Joran. Of course, the system, the jail system and the criminal system, is different in Aruba than from here. We do not know if they allow any passage of information back and forth or books, newspapers, so forth.

Paul Van Der Sloot who was, of course, previously arrested and spent four days in jail, he talked and said that he stands beside his son, and he did not reveal any information about the case.

GRACE: Well, Anastasiya, it`s my understanding that Judge Van Der Sloot said something along the lines -- there is a shot of him, everybody - - I don`t recognize his face as much as I do his back side, because he always seems to run away from the camera whenever we try ask him anything.

Anastasiya, it was my understanding he said something to the effect, "I would do anything for my son," Anastasiya?

BOLTON: He did say that. Yes, Nancy, he did say that. But as just any parent would say the same thing. Just as Beth Twitty is on the island for more than 50 days now looking for her daughter, Paul Van Der Sloot will do the same thing. At this point I don`t think it`s safe for us to assume that this is an admission of guilt. He did...

GRACE: I don`t think anybody said tonight, Anastasiya, that it was an admission to anything.

But here in the studio with me, psychotherapist Dr. Robi Ludwig. It would seem to me that Judge Van Der Sloot would say, "I`m sorry about your daughter. What can I do to help find your daughter?" instead of saying, "Look, I`m going to do anything to help my son." To me, that doesn`t make sense.

LUDWIG: That`s what`s missing here. There doesn`t seem to be any remorse on Joran`s part or on the judge`s part. It also smacks of themes of the Peterson case with the parents stood by their son no matter what. And we know that parents want to believe in their child`s innocence, whether they are or not.

GRACE: You know, I want to quickly speak to Dr. Larry Kobilinsky here with us. I want to go back to this break in the case, the duct tape found by a park ranger. Now, first of all, you note, Doctor, from handling evidence in court, writing books about it and so forth, who finds the evidence is very important, as well.

KOBILINSKY: Well, sure, that person becomes part of the chain of evidence.

GRACE: This is a totally an impartial person, it seems to me.

KOBILINSKY: Indeed, it is.

GRACE: A park ranger.

KOBILINSKY: Indeed, it is. I think the critical part here is that, if her hair is -- if it`s confirmed that it`s her hair, it`s on duct tape, we have an indication that some criminal violent activity took place.

And I think that we should know within about a week or so, certainly, if it is her hair. I know initially they`re going to be doing some microscopic analysis. That`s very quick.

They probably have a good indication right now of whether it is hers or not. But to confirm it, they really need to do mitochondrial DNA.

And as you said, Nancy -- you`re the best forensic scientist -- you know very well mitochondrial DNA does not give you an absolute identification. So I think, when you put that together with the potential confessions that we`re hearing about and everything else, it all fits together.

GRACE: You know, Renee Rockwell is with us, a veteran trial lawyer who has practiced law not only in the states but has been in Aruba many, many times, as well, legally.

Renee, the area -- you`re familiar with the island -- the are where they found the duct tape. You and I both know duct tape, like a fingerprint and many other types of scientific evidence, cannot be dated, so we don`t know how old the duct tape is.

But, Renee, you know the island. The reality is, when you find duct tape with hair still attached to it, I just can`t imagine it being very old.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It can`t be old, Nancy. But what`s interesting is, if they sent it to a lab, they can also determine whether or not anybody else`s hair`s on it. And then, at that point, you can take samples from any of the people that have already been in question in this investigation, namely Van Der Sloot, the Kalpoe boys, even the judge or the disc jockey.

You`re getting a little bit closer to some physical evidence. This is all you have. It`s a long shot. But at least it`s something.

Another thing, Nancy, just briefly, you have two separate dynamics going on here. You`ve got to feel for the family. You`ve got the government that`s trying to solve a crime, but you also have...

GRACE: Ha! I don`t know about that.

ROCKWELL: Well, but you also have the family. They just want to know. And I think, at this point, where they`ve hit so many dead-ends that the government should let the parents talk to the young man that`s in jail.

I don`t know if the lawyers would allow that, or let the family go and watch the young man go out to the beach and try to reenact where he was, just to get a little bit of closure on this.

Because, Nancy, if he`s telling the truth, whether he starts at the beginning, the middle, or the end of the story, it`s going to be the same story. And I`d just be interested to see if it`s the same story he told a month ago.

GRACE: Renee, I want to throw this to Jason.

Jason Oshins, the reality is, all of that is like in a fantasy world that Renee Rockwell was just talking about. Everybody`s going to sit down and all get together. "Can`t we all just get along?" Are you kidding me?

This guy has already changed his story we know between nine and 15 times. I say, Jason, all they need is one piece -- one piece -- of forensic evidence. And between all of his changed stories, they got a case.

JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, certainly, Nancy, from the prosecutor`s perspective, you want to get something, something additionally besides the conjecture, to lean on him a little bit, or lean on the Kalpoe, or lean on anyone that might have something where they -- as Renee said -- where there`s some other hairs, or Larry said that, where there`s some other hairs that they could use and try to get something out of it, try to put some of this together, you know, to exert some pressure on Van Der Sloot.

GRACE: One piece of forensic evidence. It`s a long shot. Renee`s right about that. But will this hair attached to duct tape on the beach be a break in the Holloway case?

We`ll all be right back, including Natalee`s stepfather with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Day 50 -- five-zero -- since Natalee Holloway went missing on a high school senior trip. Just this weekend, breaking developments in the story.

The lead suspect in the case taken back to the beach to reenact the night he was with her. And duct tape emerges covered in blonde hair.

Very quickly, down to Jug Twitty, Natalee`s stepfather. Jug, why do you think that Aruban authorities refused to allow Natalee`s dad to speak to Joran Van Der Sloot?

TWITTY: I`m sure it`s the attorneys that are saying that he can`t do that. You know, Nancy, you talked about a minute ago how you`ve seen no concern or remorse from either one of those families, and that`s the way I feel. I`ve seen none from the Van Der Sloots. I`ve seen none from the Kalpoes.

I saw them smiling, laughing. Their boys are home, you know, with their families. But Natalee`s not. And it concerns me.

GRACE: With us, Jug Twitty. Everyone, stay with us.

23 posted on 07/19/2005 10:56:41 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Beth gave the authorities the brush a few weeks ago for testing. Then, when the tape with hair was found, instead of using the brush to match things up, they sent the brush back to Beth and the tape with hair to the Netherlands - with a bit of it also going to the FBI.
They also interviewed a lady who found a a bone with flesh on it.


24 posted on 07/19/2005 10:57:10 AM PDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: truthluva

No truthluva, go right ahead.


25 posted on 07/19/2005 10:58:29 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva

I'm not sure but I will check back through the one's I was reading.


26 posted on 07/19/2005 10:58:37 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: truthluva

I'm glad I'm inside.


27 posted on 07/19/2005 10:58:48 AM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: spectre
but you can imagine what I'm thinking...

Yep, me too.

28 posted on 07/19/2005 11:02:41 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: TexKat

From the sounds of things they haven't sent the hair to the Netherlands yet. Won't matter I guess, since when they get the results from the States, they'll know. Maybe the person that sends forensic material to the Netherlands is on vacation or something. /sarcasm


29 posted on 07/19/2005 11:04:01 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: TexKat; truthluva
sunmoonstars wrote:

" Fox is reporting that the hair is still there, has not been sent to Netherlands. They say they want somebody with them when it is sent."

" Tim Miller says it should have been sent immediately. If it is hers, they are on the next plane out with equipment and divers. With the hair being found in an area where there were cellphone calls and the "grave", the burial confession it makes sense that it could be her hair. Says that the confession said Joran was crying and shaking and said we buried her."

From sm

30 posted on 07/19/2005 11:04:46 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: joylyn

This case is just a run of the mill tragic murder. I'm not trying to minimize it, but thousands of young girls disappear every day and alot just like this. Why is this important? Because the news media needs ratings. This isn't a national story. There is no need for our government to be spending this much time and money.

Would the resources and the exposure help eventually solve this case faster and easier? probably. But you can say that about any of the thousands of missing people cases.


31 posted on 07/19/2005 11:05:41 AM PDT by golch1979 ("Captain Sobol, we solute the rank, not the man.")
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To: truthluva
Was hoping to get some input into a theory about some of the evidence. Is it bad form to carry a post over?

I think its ok. I think it makes it easier to bring a post to the new thread to keep continuity, especially once a previous thread is locked.

I'd like to read/hear your thoughts.

32 posted on 07/19/2005 11:08:24 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Pure Country

George 'Jug' Twitty

Natalee Holloway's stepfather reacts to discovery of new clues

New Clues in Holloway Case? - Greta's On The Record Transcript 7/18/05

Tuesday, July 19, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Four strands of long blond hair washed ashore on duct tape in Aruba. Is it Natalee's? Joining us live in Birmingham, Alabama is Natalee Holloway's stepfather, George "Jug" Twitty.

Welcome, Jug.

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE'S STEPFATHER: Hello, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Jug, the hair that's been found — how did you learn about this?

TWITTY: You want to know the truth? I actually learned about it from Craig Rivera.

VAN SUSTEREN: And Craig Rivera being the brother and producer of my colleague, Geraldo, is that right?

TWITTY: Exactly.

VAN SUSTEREN: I guess that speaks pretty loudly, Jug, about the level of communication between the police and you and Beth and everybody else, right?

TWITTY: I tell you, Greta, it is so frustrating. It's just unbelievable. And that's why I tell Beth — and it's hard because I'm in Birmingham and she's there, but I know her frustration levels are high, but when you get back here and you see all of it, it really, really starts to get your blood flowing.

But you know, we don't. I mean, as you know, Van der Straaten is now retiring from this case, and Van der Straaten and the Jug Twitty have not seen eye-to-eye from day one, even though I went in and had a long conversation with he and the man that was going to take over the investigation. And I thought we had things worked out because I basically said, Well, I don't understand why you won't call me directly and, you know, give me the information directly. And we shook hands, and you know, but it never happened.

And so I'm concerned because Van Der Straaten is leaving the case and we're bringing in somebody new. I think his name's Erik Zuma (ph). He's been there about three days. Sandbo's (ph) had some heart problems. He's going to have to have a bypass and go to Holland or the United States. So you know, it concerns me who's taking over the investigation. Somebody asked me, Was I concerned? But you know, honestly, Greta, I think that may be good. You know, we've made so many mistakes in the beginning and everybody in the world knows that they've made mistakes, and now this guy is coming in to take over, and maybe he can shake some things up and get some answers.

VAN SUSTEREN: And for reference, for those who — I think everyone pretty much does know the story — but Van Der Straaten is the police commissioner who's been in charge of the investigation.

Jug, I know the frustration. I've spoken to you, and you've been back and forth to Aruba, and you and I have spoken many times. Are you bringing a private investigator in to sort of supplement or to try to avoid the problems you have felt so far?

TWITTY: Absolutely. Hired a private investigator this weekend, has a team of ex-FBI personnel. And you know, my goal here, Greta, is to get somebody down there on the ground that will give us answers. And I understand that they're, you know, doing an investigation their way in Aruba, but they won't talk to us. And everybody knows it's frustrating for the family when we have to hear things from the media, and I want a guy on the ground that can dig and try to get us some information and you know, can communicate with us every day.

VAN SUSTEREN: And I take it that it doesn't help that you have to keep running back to the United States to attend to family business. I mean, and other family members have the same sort of struggle, back and forth, back and forth, and no information, right?

TWITTY: It's hard. I mean, even when I call Beth down there, you know, the phones are ringing like crazy and, you know, trying to get information of what's happening because I have to do the shows or whatever, and I need to know what to talk about.

But I will tell you, Greta, that back here, it's unbelievable. I come home from work and turn my answering machine on, and I think it holds 25 messages, and probably 15 of them are on there, Ask Greta this, Ask Greta that. And you've been a tremendous help to my wife in staying with her, and she trusts you as a friend, and helping us try to find an answer to this story. And I think everybody in the United States knows that you're trying to help us.

VAN SUSTEREN: And I think that, Jug, is also true of, you know, my colleagues and all the news services, you know, because everyone has been down there.

TWITTY: Oh, absolutely. I'm not leaving out anybody.

VAN SUSTEREN: And it's been trying...

TWITTY: Yes, I'm just saying that I know my wife really trusts you, Greta, and knows that you're helping push. But the whole FOX network — as people have said before, if it hadn't been for FOX and for my family and friends, this would just have been another little girl that would have been swept under the carpet, you know, a week-and-a-half after.

VAN SUSTEREN: What's going to be the mandate for this investigator that you've hired? I mean, what are you telling him to do or what's going to be his plan?

TWITTY: I think he's going to get down there and start asking questions. I mean, there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone, and we didn't find out until two days ago that this is an American — I think he was a DEA agent. I think he was just there vacationing, though. But anyway, he helped us that night, and he also waited and said, Wait before you go to the judge's house. I want to go with you.

And I find out two days ago that the Aruban authorities never took this man's statement. Beth and I are going, It's unbelievable. But you know what? They didn't take my statement until 30 days later, and I sat there and talked to the man for two hours, and his son. And they didn't take any of the statements from the people that were there. I probably had seven people in my so-called search party that night that we hit the ground, and it took them 19 days to take their statements.

So you know, if I had it all to do over again, Greta, when we got to that judge's house that night, we would have taken — we had three vans. I would have blocked that car in, and if I didn't think, you know, that the police were going to do anything the next morning, I would have parked those cars there and let them tow them away until I could open that car, open that trunk and look in that silver car the next morning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Jug, thank you. I'm sure that we'll be talking about this again until we can finally get some information.

Thank you, Jug.

33 posted on 07/19/2005 11:08:56 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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bttt


34 posted on 07/19/2005 11:09:05 AM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: the Deejay

A triple dream! What are the odds?

Seriously, I heard that also. I believe the wording was "the same time the brush was "returned."


35 posted on 07/19/2005 11:10:51 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: All
The FBI is planning to conduct its own tests on long blond hairs that could be connected to the case of an Alabama teen missing in Aruba.

36 posted on 07/19/2005 11:12:14 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Dark Skies

btt


37 posted on 07/19/2005 11:12:42 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: truthluva

Little Miss



Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 216


PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Greta just said Natalees brush returned to Beth same time as this hair found. LE had the brush for some time. Trying to set Beth up?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1387&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=rbm+103&start=15


38 posted on 07/19/2005 11:13:20 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: monkeywrench

If joran really did say
"We buried her." Why
haven't the polis made
him show them where she's
buried?

And this searching could
have been over w/long ago.


39 posted on 07/19/2005 11:14:08 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: TexKat

Bringing over from Thread 7::


I have been thinking about this duct tape with the hair evidence and it seems a bit suspicious to me. It has been reported that this evidence was found based on a tip. And it was found on the opposite side of the island from where Joran and Natalee were supposed to be. This is the second ‘tip’ that has been received about something suspicious on that side of the island. The first was a possible ‘temporary gravesite’ not far from where the duct tape was found. Hmmm…two tips close together diverting attention to the opposite side of the island.

Then there is the bone that was found on 07/06/05 that has never (as far as anyone knows) been inspected to determine if it’s human or other animal. A bone found within ½ mile of the place where Joran and Natalee were supposed to be. Hmmm...you have a bone in the vicinity of the location of interest and nearly two weeks later no identification? This is problematic in my opinion.

Back to the duct tape with hair. This duct tape was reported to have been dry and looked fresh according to the ranger who secured it. How hard would it be for someone who has access to the evidence to take a few strands of Natalee’s hair from either her hairbrush (if that is what was provided for any future DNA testing) or from the evidence that was collected to send off to Holland (which just came back this week) and stick them on some duct tape (that rumor has it was stolen from the Fisherman’s Huts) and place it in the general vicinity of the first ‘tip’? In other words, forget about the bone, look over here. IIRC Friday the search was back on close to the Marriott. Sunday they get a tip to look at something on the other side of the island. Hmmm.

Do we not know the PVDS and Ben King have been known to play around with evidence before? Do we not also know that the chief investigator in this case is a close friend of PVDS? Isn’t Van Der Straaten leaving the investigation as reported by Jug last night on Greta’s show? This may have been their last chance to ‘make a difference’ in this case before he leaves.

If the results of the duct tape/hair evidence come back saying that it is Natalee’s hair I just might not fully believe the implications of that. Does anyone know if it can be determined how long the hair has been attached to the duct tape? I have not heard that question asked of Dr. Baden. I emailed Greta to see if she would ask that question the next time he is on her show.

Am I too suspicious????


40 posted on 07/19/2005 11:14:41 AM PDT by truthluva ("Courage is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: golch1979
There is no need for our government to be spending this much time and money.

Are you referring to the US government? How much time and money have the Feds spent on this case? You obviously know the answer and I will await it.

41 posted on 07/19/2005 11:15:10 AM PDT by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Krodg

Ha, ha, ha, that's me you're quoting!


42 posted on 07/19/2005 11:15:11 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
A triple dream!

I even recall Beth was wearing a black blouse last night, during the interview.

43 posted on 07/19/2005 11:16:49 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: the Deejay

I don't know. I gotta go look at the timeline, again. I think it had something to do with Pvds visit to sonnyboy. Remember the prosecutors didn't want visitations allowed for that very reason.


44 posted on 07/19/2005 11:17:10 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: monkeywrench

[sunmoonstars wrote:
" Fox is reporting that the hair is still there, has not been sent to Netherlands. They say they want somebody with them when it is sent."

" Tim Miller says it should have been sent immediately. If it is hers, they are on the next plane out with equipment and divers. With the hair being found in an area where there were cellphone calls and the "grave", the burial confession it makes sense that it could be her hair. Says that the confession said Joran was crying and shaking and said we buried her."

From sm]


I heard that mentioned on Greta last night about not having even sent the samples to Holland yet. Greta pointed out that there did seem to be any sense of urgency on the part of the investigators in the case.

If they drag this out long enough there may just not be enough evidence to charge Joran. Gee, what a concept.


45 posted on 07/19/2005 11:17:32 AM PDT by truthluva ("Courage is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Malichi

It's mid 90's up here and pretty dog-gone humid to go along with it. I'm at the office (working of couse, hehe).


46 posted on 07/19/2005 11:18:58 AM PDT by truthluva ("Courage is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: monkeywrench

Well dang...why didn't you speak up instead of making me search. LOL


47 posted on 07/19/2005 11:19:30 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: Krodg

[Little Miss



Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 216


PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Greta just said Natalees brush returned to Beth same time as this hair found. LE had the brush for some time. Trying to set Beth up?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1387&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=rbm+103&start=15]

Okay..wait..I watched Greta last night and do not recall hearing that statement made. Did I miss something while I was letting the dog out?


48 posted on 07/19/2005 11:21:10 AM PDT by truthluva ("Courage is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: cajungirl

Bookmarking.


49 posted on 07/19/2005 11:21:13 AM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: golch1979
This isn't a national story.

Right. It's an International story.

There is no need for our government to be spending this much time and money.

OUR governement isn't spending one cent on this. ARUBA is.

50 posted on 07/19/2005 11:21:19 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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