Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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[stlnative]

FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[stlnative]

Natalee is still missing - it has not been confirmed yet if she is still alive or deceased.

I have no real ping list and I do not plan to make one. Please bookmark the thread if you wish to find it again.

[Rippersnapper]

Sniff, sniff. I smell fresh paint! :)

[Betaille]

bump

[presently no screen name]

LOL

[JLS]

Let me mark this thread. It is a puzzle and who knows how it will turn out.

[injin]

as per FoxNews ; the Aruban police are suggesting that if anyone is to be administered polygraphs , it should the Nattalee's parents and family . Excuse me !?
Nattalee's father ,after meeting the father of the accused , describes him as a 'slimeball' . This is the guy that is running from every reporter and saying nothing .

In the meantime local Arubans newspapermen are saying poor Nattalee has possibly been kidnapped to Columbia .

We need 'special teams' for cases like this .
Just go get our people back wherever they are .

[stlnative]

http://www.riehlworldview.com/

Aruba: Decapitation Story Confirmed
A reliable source on the island of Aruba has confirmed reports of a recent murder / decapitation, and also confirmed reports of another murder currently under investigation in Aruba. A third report regarding a possible new missing person report filed today has not been confirmed at this time.

Additionally, sources close to the Natalee Holloway investigation have indicated to me that there appear to be serious problems developing in establishing a consistent time lime of events surrounding Natalee's disappearance. Problems stem from conflicts among stories by those being questioned, a growing list which now includes Father of Joran v d Sloot, Paulus v d Sloot.

It's possible that the time line as presented by the elder vd Sloot does not fit with other knowable facts in the case, resulting in his having been brought back for additional questioning.

Additionally, from other contacts who are known to be observing the Natalee Holloway investigation very closely on the ground in Aruba, there is growing concern that some of the lack of clarity in the troubling case could be the result of an attempt to minimize the impact of this tragic case on the tourism industry of Aruba.

While differences do exist between the system of justice in Aruba and a watchful America, many Americans are coming to feel more and more dissatisfied from an apparent lack of accountability to the public by Aruban authorities.

Developing, hope to have more tomorrow.

[stlnative]

Dutch teen's father questioned in Aruba case
Published: Mon, Jun 20, 2005
http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/294277362336551.php

[Howlin]

You all are doing a great job, brigette.

[TexKat]

Hunt for teen intensifies

Authorities say 3 men in Aruba are strongest lead in disappearance

Sunday, June 05, 2005

HANNAH WOLFSON News staff writer

PALM BEACH, Aruba - Answers in the disappearance of a Mountain Brook teen could be imminent, relatives and authorities said Saturday as the hunt for the missing honor student intensified.

In Aruba, Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig said investigators have stepped up their probe into the three men last seen with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway and hinted at a swift resolution in the case that has baffled authorities and grabbed international attention.

"I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours," Dompig said Saturday. "There will be developments after this weekend."

A family spokeswoman in Birmingham said much the same.

"They're watching them very closely," Holloway's aunt, Marcia Twitty, said of the three men.

Ten more FBI agents arrived in Aruba Saturday, bringing the total to 13. Attorney General Caren Janssen said they were brought in for "technical assistance."

Also, FBI agents were asked to come to Aruba. A US Representative from AL made some pretty strong comments that one does not do under normal circumstances. Here are some interesting (disturbing) comments from U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details. “The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”

Aruban authorities still aren't calling their probe a criminal investigation, and Dompig said Saturday they haven't ruled out scenarios that Holloway left on her own or was kidnapped.

"The rule of thumb would be that, as more days pass, the fear becomes greater that we're looking at a situation where we might not find a person alive anymore," he said. "We think something will happen soon. Whether it's a conclusion that's good for the family or less beneficial for the family, I don't know."

Holloway vanished six days ago while on a five-day graduation trip to the tranquil Caribbean island with about 124 graduates and seven chaperones - four men who teach and coach at the middle and high schools in Mountain Brook and three of the men's wives.

She was last seen shortly after 1 a.m. Monday getting into a gray Honda with three Aruban residents as they left Carlos'N Charlie's bar and restaurant. The three men - two Surinamese men and a native of the Netherlands, between the ages 18 to 25 - were questioned and released, but Dompig said Saturday the men are "persons of interest" and investigators' strongest lead to date. Dompig said authorities are reluctant to release too much information about the men, who said they dropped off Holloway at the Holiday Inn where she was staying. The deputy chief said investigators are holding information close to the vest to avoid scaring off anyone.

"Of course, we keep a close eye on them and when we feel comfortable, and that's going to be very soon, there may be some new developments," Dompig said.

[TexKat]

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2 ping.

[stlnative]

Thanks Howlin - I should be back on regularly and active again starting tomorrow.

I am going to crash... (busy weekend)

See you later!

[Mike Darancette]

Does Aruba have any abandoned gold mines?

[Rippersnapper]

"Of course, we keep a close eye on them and when we feel comfortable, and that's going to be very soon, there may be some new developments," Dompig said.

That was from the 6th. I bet the big development was the arress of the 3 guys. Wasn't that on the 9th?

[stlnative]

Mike: Yes

TexKat: Isn't it amazing how the crime rate has suddenly gone up in Aruba...? (We have no Dead Bodies or Kidnappings in Aruba, there are no Americans here! - Aruba/Iraq Information Minister)

[blub]

Thank you for the thread and all your hard work.

[stlnative]

Thanks & Good Nite!

[the anti-liberal]

TexKat posted this link just as this extended thread was posted:

Natalee Holloway; What Some Arubans Are Saying

"There has been rumors running that Natalee has runaway once before in a different country.
Or she has runned away once before.
The question is, has she pulled off this stunt once again on Aruba? Did Natalee on purposely disappeared?"

Bad English, for sure, but it does go a long way to explaining why they want the Holloway family to take a polygraph.

Not that I believe it's justified, but if this is the general sentiment on the isle, it does explain it.

It also seem that they are trying to cast suspicion elsewhere- anywhere but there (Aruba).

[MEG33]

BUMP

[Pepper777]

I've heard Aruba does have abandoned gold mines. I think it was reported on FOX. Some were said to be closed but others were left open.

This evening Fox showed some caves on the island. They were pretty creepy, complete with bats. Not sure how many of these caves are on the island, but it seems Aruba isn't just sandy beaches. Guess it's possible for a person to be hidden and not found, considering the mines, caves and etc.

[Rippersnapper]

Someone asked her mother if she had run away before and I thought she said no. Sounds like they are trying to discredit the family to make up for their own negligence on the case.

[the anti-liberal]

It's interesting that the officials on the island have been very shortcoming with our press, your statement (trying to discredit the family) makes me wonder what they are saying to their own media and their own citizens- are they shaping the local public perception against US? Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

[ordinaryguy]

Shrinking the image using the height and width attributes doesn't make things any quicker for dial-up users. The large image is still loaded, it is just displayed smaller.

[prisoner6]

bookmark bumpers

prisoner6

[TexKat]

Heres waving at ya!!

[pamlet]

bookmarking for tomorrow..

[TexKat]

Good night brigette.

[sissyjane]

Please add me to your--- not a real ping list about Natalee.

[TexKat]

That was from the 6th. I bet the big development was the arress of the 3 guys. Wasn't that on the 9th?

Bump!!

[NonValueAdded]

Giving backhoe a run for his money, I see :)

[Publius6961]

BUMP!

[devolve]

Correct

Resize the image much smaller for thumbnails or small images and host it at tinypic if you have no linking website storage

GIFworks (.gif only) or ImageMagick (.jpg or .gif) has image resizing online and fast

NetMechanic online has quick image file size reduction in graduated "steps" using the original size image

[onyx]

Aruba and Grand Cayman (where my daughter resides) are the same size and I know I could find my daughter on that island or find out what happened to her.

If Natalee was murdered, it was not premediatated so there has to be evidence of the crime. I am left to ponder that she was weighted down and dumped in the sea, or buried 10' deep in wet sand.

Absolutely infuriating and sickening. I don;t know how her sweet mother is holding together, but she is.

[onyx]

Thank y'all for the magnificent work you're doing on these threads. Much appreciated.

[cherry]

ah....a second thread.....

when E. Smart was still missing, there were many, many , many threads on her....everyday there would be new postings......ususally the same group ....

thing was, unless you knew where to look, you might not even know that the threads were there.....

about Natalee......sounds like a very corrupt little island to me, one that a Tsunami could wash over very easily......

[onyx]

Yeah, I remember Elizabeth Smart's threads. They got hot and heavy at times when a few posters would claim she "ran away" on her own. Thank God, beautiful Elizabeth was found alive.

At the time, my eldest g-daughter was 2 years younger than Elizabeth, but she was a ringer for her. They were on vacation from their home in the Cayman Islands visiting me here in San diego, and my Taylor was stopped several times by folks wanting a closer look at her. Little did we know at the time, Elizabeth was being held captive a mere 10 miles away in Lakeside, CA.

[jaykay]

If they are trying to minimize the impact on the tourism industry, they are blundering that job even worse than they are blundering the investigation.


I'm afraid to go to Aruba now and I live in Detroit!

[jaykay]

Aruban authorities still aren't calling their probe a criminal investigation, and Dompig said Saturday they haven't ruled out scenarios that Holloway left on her own or was kidnapped.

Kidnapping not a crime on Aruba?

[jaykay]

It also seem that they are trying to cast suspicion elsewhere- anywhere but there (Aruba).

They need to stop media managing and just solve the case. We understand that girls are kidnapped/raped/murdered everywhere, even here in the U.S. of A. Tourists will feel more confident about Aruba if the case is handled professionally and the perps locked up.

[jaykay]

sounds like a very corrupt little island to me, one that a Tsunami could wash over very easily......

Just what I need, another Clinton/Old Bush tsunami buddy tour.

[devolve]

Where did the last arrested suspect work?


As a DJ on an all night party boat for 100 drinking tourists?


A boat...


I doubt that Natalee Holloway is on Aruba -


Daddy Van Der Sloot has been questioned twice now by investigators - and the prosecutors have a motion to block any further contact with his son Joran Van Der Sloot -

If it turns out both father and son are involved in covering up the death of Natalee Holloway - Aruba's big tourism industry will suffer greatly even more - The father is up for a Judgeship and is a minor government official -

"Dutch justice" is pulling another Van Gogh - why cut off an ear when a head is more dramatic -

Note that every time you hear an Aruba investigator's PR lady, government PR rep, or even Aruba journalist - "There is no crime on Aruba" (if you discount the recently beheaded man) - "Stupid movie stories about drug cartels!"

Aruba is known to be a main conduit for the Columbian drug cartels -

An former Aruba policeman got into an loud insane rant on FNC demanding Natalee's family should be made to undergo lie detector testing by the FBI -

-- But we don't do to suspects that here on Aruba.......

He sounded like a psycho!

It is all starting to sound like a rough draft of Dr. No that was tossed out -

-- But James Bond flicks were more believable --


FNC just now 6:20am ET - "a big break on the Halloway case" - Yeah - right -

[Miss Marple]

I will check on this thread later today. I still feel that there is something bigger that this girl's disappearance points to.

[onyx]

I saw that pig on FNC. A fire engine went down the street with sirens blaring near the conclusion of his remarks, but I "think" I heard him make a smartass remark in response to the FNC hostess saying "thank you but were out of time."

[GOP_Proud]

bump

[PBRSTREETGANG]

The crime situation in Aruba appears to be something different than what was advertised...or there has been a coincidental spike in criminal activity that just happens to coincide with all of the media attention focused on the Holloway case.

[devolve]

FNC had the editor of a local Aruba newspaper on a few minutes ago -

He was not doing a CYA - He cririticized the investigation - letting the 3 go so they could concoct stories and alibies - and said Daddy Van Der Sloot his probably helped his son Joran with a story

I think the father may have actually been involved with getting rid of Natalee Holloway's dead body - perhaps contacting someone to dispose of her where she can never be found

I'd say the father came up with the "blame the hotel security guards" stuff - Remember - Those two were arrested based on the statements of Johan Van Der Sloot and the other two now held - and being transferred from jail to prison

Note they searched those two men's homes and vehicles immediately - but as far as the Van Der Sloot's home and vehicles - Official CYA comment was/is: "We can't just act like cowboys and search people's homes and cars!"

The Van Der Sloat family has hired an attorney now to defend them

The body is most likely at sea - deep out at sea

A cave on Aruba possibly could be later found out

[onyx]

I'm tending to agree with you. I don't like that Van Der Slut family at all. We already know the kid is a spoiled, indulged brat with anger management difficulties otherwise known as sociopathy.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

I'm still leaning towards JVDS being the Aruban Robert Chambers, but he had help disposing of the body. The father is starting to look more and more like the likely candidate.

[devolve]

One of Natalee's family - sorry - not sure which - was on FNC or CNN

Father, uncle, stepfather - said he talked with Paul Van Der Sloot early after Natalee disappeared

Said Daddy Van Der Sloot was an arrogant obnoxious ---

Questioned by police Saturday and also again on Sunday

Questioned a second day?

Smells bad -

All the Aruba CYA bunch and bar manager: "Nobody gets into bars and drinks under 18!"

--- Unless they are the son of an Aruba bigshot

Joran Van Der Sloot was seen by everyone in "Carlos 'n Charlie's" - and it is impossible that the bar manager did not know who hw was and how old he is - 17 years old -

To me it seems that transferring the 3 to prison will only make questioning them and investigating more difficult

Prison will not loosen their tongues - unless the other two panic - There has been info that their latest stories differed from Joran's - but I thought all that was confidential and could not be released as it would jeopardize the case......