You stop reading WAY too soon!
For example; what are the ODDS that head A will turn into head B?
Gosh!
NONE are given!
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Posted on 04/27/2006 8:01:57 AM PDT by Tribune7
I’m happy to report that I was in constant correspondence with Ann regarding her chapters on Darwinism — indeed, I take all responsibility for any errors in those chapters. :-)
(Excerpt) Read more at uncommondescent.com ...
That's really not true. There are only a relatively few conservatives who are trying hard to perpetuate the myth that conservatism is synonymous with willful ignorance of basic biology. Apparently Coulter is foolishly believing there are enough of them to keep her book sales up but, I believe she's just jumped off the cliff of credibility.
Ichneumon: No, this is quite incorrect. I don't know of a single Freeper who matches your description, and you do this debate a large disservice with such misrepresentations.[Post #118]
RightWingProfessor: Speaking only for myself, my agenda is protecting science, and biological science in particular, a pursuit on which I've spent most of my working life, from political attacks by religious fundamentalists, who seem to think we're still in the Middle Ages and that the Enlightenment never happened. [from post#45].
Aren't you the asshole who wrote a nice as pie freepmail to me, offering to start a dialog outside the evil world of flame wars, and when I responded in good faith, and at some length, dropped the whole thing?
What is it with you people that you are so personally dishonest that you cannot have a conversation with a normal person?
So basically you are saying that Hitler put on the false face of a believer, promoted Christianity as the foundation of his political actions, and millions of people accepted his rationale.
So you, on the word of a monster criminal, have concluded that Hitler was a hypocrite. What were his millions of followers? What made them so eager to fall in line?
Despite your tagline, I smell a troll.
Nope. I asked a perfectly legitimate question. Were the Nazis atheists? If not, what were they? I think they were all (maybe with a few exceptions) raised as Christians, attended Christian services/ceremonies/rituals, invoked the Christian God and Christian scripture in their everyday and public speech, etc. There is no question Germany before Hitler took power was a solidly Christian country.
And yes, Hitler was an adamant believer in evolution. Much of his theories is based on Darwinism as he understood it.)
Now I not only smell a troll, I hear a troll. I didn't ask that and you are repeating a frequently repeated error and anti-evolution creationist myth that has just as frequently been rebutted and shown to be false. And I generally speaking, don't respond to creationist trolls.
Adam was not a living being prior to the sixth day and animals also had the breath of life.
So you don't know the difference between chimpanzee and humans?
You stop reading WAY too soon!
For example; what are the ODDS that head A will turn into head B?
Gosh!
NONE are given!
Now, where was that evidence of God you promised us?
HMmmm......
"By further reflecting that the clearest evidence would be requisite to make any sane man believe in the miracles by which Christianity is supported,—and that the more we know of the fixed laws of nature the more incredible do miracles become,—that the men at that time were ignorant and credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible by us,—that the Gospels cannot be proven to have been written simultaneously with the events,—that they differ in many important details, far too important, as it seemed to me to be admitted as the usual inaccuracies of eye witnesses;—by such reflections as these, which I give not as having the least novelty or value, but as they influenced me, I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation. The fact that many fake religions have spread over large portions of the earth like wildfire had some weight with me. But I was very unwilling to give up my belief; I feel sure of this, for I can remember often and often inventing day-dreams of old letters between distinguished Romans, and manuscripts being discovered at Pompeii or elsewhere, which confirmed in the most striking manner all that was written in the Gospels. But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct."
( Charles Darwin in his Autobiography of Charles Darwin, Dover Publications, 1992, p. 62. )
Charles Darwin (1809-1882)
"I think that generally (& more & more as I grow older), but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."
( Quoted from Adrian Desmond and James Moore, Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist, New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1991, p. 636. )
You should read it. It's very educational and could rescue you from your approval of the silly aphorism that evolution is "nothing but a gap."
RightWingProfessor: Speaking only for myself, my agenda is protecting science, and biological science in particular, a pursuit on which I've spent most of my working life, from political attacks by religious fundamentalists, who seem to think we're still in the Middle Ages and that the Enlightenment never happened. [from post#45].
And who says creatoids can't learn something ...
However, an analysis by Ekland suggests that in the sequence space of 220 nucleotide long RNA sequences, a staggering 2.5 x 10^112 sequences are efficent ligases [12]. Not bad for a compound previously thought to be only structural. Going back to our primitive ocean of 1 x 10^24 litres and assuming a nucleotide concentration of 1 x 10^-7 M [23], then there are roughly 1 x 10^49 potential nucleotide chains, so that a fair number of efficent RNA ligases (about 1 x 10^34) could be produced in a year, let alone a million years. The potential number of RNA polymerases is high also; about 1 in every 10^20 sequences is an RNA polymerase [12]. Similar considerations apply for ribosomal acyl transferases (about 1 in every 10^15 sequences), and ribozymal nucleotide synthesis [1, 6, 13].
We are quite convinced now.
Let me remind you. You made a claim that Hitler's 12 April 1922 speech was intended to be sarcastic. I have challenged you to identify anything in that speech to indicate Hitler was being sarcastic when he said that his "feeling as a Christian points" him to his "Lord and Savior as a fighter", or indeed elsewhere in that section of the speech. You have not done so, for obvious reasons; he was not being sarcastic, there is nothing that would even suggest he was being sarcastic, and you simply made that up. Instead you initiated an ad hominem attack on me. You are probably well aware I could have quoted many other instances where Hitler proclaimed himself to be Christian. But what is the point? You refused to confront the first except with dishonesty and denial.
You are a raving ideologue who isn't interested in an intellectual discussion, but in shouting down your opponent. Merely mentioning that Hiller was a product of an environment in which religiously-justified Christian antisemitism was the norm, and that his speech in 1922 in Munich would not have been anything particularly out of the norm, something that no one familiar with the history of Germany and Central Europe in the late 19th/early 20th century would deny, caused you to attack my sanity, And then you have the chutzpah to complain when I compared your agenda with that of another guy who's interested in rewriting history.
Strictly for the benefit of the lurkers, Table Talk was edited by Martin Bormann from original transcripts made by two scribes Bormann chose, and while it purports to be a record of Hitler's dinner time meanderings, there is no independent evidence of the veracity of the material. And Bormann was definitely anti-Christian and in particular anti-Catholic. So relying on Bormann's accounts, which dramatically at variance with Hitler's public proclamations, is tendentiousness at its worst. Your entire argument depends on taking the word of a Nazi monster with his own agenda.
I will close this exchange, and consign you to my virtual ignore list, with the remark that of all fanatics I've run into on FR, you are among the most unpleasant.
INDEED!
Yeah, lotsa pitchers and numbers in it!
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