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Dinosaur Shocker (YEC say dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years)
Smithsonian Magazine ^ | May 1, 2006 | Helen Fields

Posted on 05/01/2006 8:29:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: 2nsdammit

http://www.s8int.com/dino1.html

Fossil Dinosaur Prints Together with Human Prints

This photo from the Interactive Bible Site, shows a series of 14 left, right footprints with three- toed dinosaur tracks intersecting at 30 degrees.

"Believe it or not, dinosaur footprints, and the footprints of man, are found in the same strata, in the very same formation, in some cases only 18 inches apart, at a geological dig in Glen Rose, Texas, called the Paluxy River Bed. The ancient footprints of "man" at the site are found to be evenly spaced, and go under overhanging shale formations, continuing under the formations, and have been excavated.

Though the dino tracks (in the Paluxy River Bed in Glen Rose, Texas, for instance) are real, perhaps the human prints were later 'clever carvings' by Indians (who must have gotten around other states a lot).

Recent research, however, has shown that they CONTINUE under shale bulldozed away, and paleontologists like Dr. Camp of the University of California and Dr. G. Wescott of Ypsilanti, Michigan, have pronounced them genuine.

Scores of other similar finds have come in: human skulls in the Pliocene strata; pollen and anthropods in Pre-Cambrian layers; even pictographs of a dinosaur among other animals on ancient canyon walls, which would knock some 70 million years out of the geologic column" (Acts, p.15, June 1996).


101 posted on 05/01/2006 10:14:10 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: trashcanbred

ID is not a cult - simply says that life is too complex too 'evolve' out of nothing. I agree. The YEC make the most sense to me when you apply true scientific methods to each. I've studied all 3 - creation, evolution, and intelligent design as well as criticisms of each.

You can drive a truck through most of the holes in the evolution theory. The more evolutionists have 'learned' the more time and complexity the theory needs to be even remotely plausible.

Maybe your time would be better spent reviewing the holes in the evolution theory or even better disproving the Bible. Two very simple questions from John MacArthur.
1.) How did the rule of law evolve w/o the Bible?
2.) How did the 7-day week evolve w/o the Bible?


102 posted on 05/01/2006 10:17:26 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: mlc9852
I find Darwinism to be more of a cult. No room for any arguments against it. Not that it matters really - students for the most part still believe God created us.

Go read Steve Hassan's "Releasing the Bonds" or "Combatting Cult Mind Control" and then come back and tell me if it is a cult.

Then go read how science is properly practiced.

As a person who has worked a lot to free many people from cults including bible based high control groups such as the JWs, I find your comment in poor taste.

103 posted on 05/01/2006 10:18:23 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: FourtySeven

Sounds just like someone saying the earth was created by God, but he made it LOOK like it was billions of years old just to throw us off the trail.

Fortunately for her, she firmly espouses evolution, so she won't be laughed out of her profession.

At least, so long as she makes certain to criticize creationists at every opportunity. She has to hold off the wolves until they can come up with SOME explanation of how they were so completely wrong about soft tissue, while being so exactly RIGHT about everything else.

Actually, what this shows is how belief in evolution precludes real science. Apparently for DECADES scientists, assuming the earth to be millions of years old, and therefore assuming soft tissue couldn't survive, NEVER EVEN THOUGHT to cut a single bone open to see what was inside -- at least that's what SHE says.

So while the masses assume they say there is no soft tissue because they never FOUND any, it seems they simply never LOOKED for it.

But again, they are evolutionists, so all will be forgiven.


104 posted on 05/01/2006 10:19:29 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: hawkaw

If someone doesn't like my comment, they are free to ignore it.


105 posted on 05/01/2006 10:19:49 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; curiosity
Ping to a fascinating paleontological article on soft tissue preservation -- with an attempted hijacking by YECers.

(Next thing you know, YECers will be carving fake "Man Tracks" alongside dinosaur footprints to "Prove That Man Walked With The Dinosaurs"...)

106 posted on 05/01/2006 10:21:19 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Repeat San Jacinto!)
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To: BrandtMichaels
Maybe your time would be better spent reviewing the holes in the evolution theory or even better disproving the Bible. Two very simple questions from John MacArthur. 1.) How did the rule of law evolve w/o the Bible? 2.) How did the 7-day week evolve w/o the Bible?

Could you please clarify if you are saying that the rule of law would not exist without the Bible?

107 posted on 05/01/2006 10:23:29 AM PDT by Chiapet (I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me)
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To: mlc9852

"It will eventually be proven that humans didn't descend from ape-like creatures."

I guess you're entitled to your dreams.....


108 posted on 05/01/2006 10:23:59 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: ahayes

You wrote this almost two weeks ago and we have this thread here just today so we must have been snoozing when this all first was announced.

I liked your letter, it was pointed and direct; who knows, maybe AIG will publish it.


109 posted on 05/01/2006 10:24:27 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: soccer_maniac
Because the chemical makeup of proteins changes through evolution, scientists can study protein sequences to learn more about how dinosaurs evolved. And because proteins do all the work in the body, studying them could someday help scientists understand dinosaur physiology—

A possible future project for the Folding @ Home crowd?

110 posted on 05/01/2006 10:24:40 AM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: Chiapet

yes


111 posted on 05/01/2006 10:26:00 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: ahayes

Yep, I would accept that as evidence... ;-)


112 posted on 05/01/2006 10:26:37 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: Old Professer

It's been longer than two weeks, actually. They'd better get a move on if they're going to respond, I sent it to them March 17.


113 posted on 05/01/2006 10:26:42 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: 2nsdammit

As are you....


114 posted on 05/01/2006 10:27:43 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: BrandtMichaels

Maybe your time would be better spent reviewing the holes in the evolution theory or even better disproving the Bible. Two very simple questions from John MacArthur.
1.) How did the rule of law evolve w/o the Bible?
2.) How did the 7-day week evolve w/o the Bible?




1) For any social group to survive together for an extended period of time, there needs to be rules. Mostly rules dealing with killing and stealing. That's why almost every culture has laws of some sort. The bible is not unique in this regard.

2) The 7-day week actually comes from stargazers. Each day represents one of the seven major bodies in the sky. The sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn (the other planets were not discovered until modern times). In fact, even in modern English, some days are named after planets (Monday = Moon day, Saturday = Saturn day, Sunday = Sun day).


115 posted on 05/01/2006 10:27:56 AM PDT by TOWER
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To: mlc9852; Al Simmons
So you believe soft tissue can survive millions of years? LOL

Oh look, an anti-evolutionist who didn't bother to read the article before issuing snotty and misguided taunts. Typical.

116 posted on 05/01/2006 10:29:06 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: BrandtMichaels
The more evolutionists have 'learned' the more time and complexity the theory needs to be even remotely plausible.

Yes, that's the nice thing about unfalsifiable "theories" like creationism; they never have to adapt to new information because the answer is always "God did it".

1.) How did the rule of law evolve w/o the Bible?

Huh? Look at Hammurabi, for example.

2.) How did the 7-day week evolve w/o the Bible?

Apparently via pagan astrologists. Good Moon Day to you.

This is what passes for logical arguments from creationists?

117 posted on 05/01/2006 10:30:48 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: Son Of The Godfather
>>>dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years.

Then explain how there is a Helen Thomas.

They're talking about SOFT tissue - not the bony and horny cartilage outgrowths.

118 posted on 05/01/2006 10:30:48 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: mlc9852
That's not the point.

You should ought to have known better that you mislead people into thinking scientists practice the same techniques as leaders of a cult.

Expert's such as Steve Hassan (who went through hell and back) clearly know scienists who practice science properly; share their work to allow it to be re-tested over and over; and; allow their work to be peer reviewed are not in a cult. Hassan and other have specific tools to identify and define these high control groups.

Smarten up.

119 posted on 05/01/2006 10:31:17 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: mlc9852
I find Darwinism to be more of a cult. No room for any arguments against it. Not that it matters really - students for the most part still believe God created us.

And most people believe that God created evolution.

120 posted on 05/01/2006 10:32:10 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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