Posted on 05/01/2006 8:29:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
When I was in high school, it was "No dating 'til yer 16!"
Thanks for pointing that out. I appreciate it.
I do not want to rethink that nor will I.
I agree.
Maybe they did. I have no way of knowing.
You want to be REALLY confused?? ;^)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1618846/posts?page=769#769
I'm not a YEC. I have never claimed to know how old the earth is, or the universe for that matter.
LOL!
Then how do you know what SIZE they are?
;^)
All I know is that MY soft tissue has not only survived some 60 odd years, but is actually MULTIPLYING!!!
Glad to see you two are getting along. ;-)
CG, your comprehension ain't any better in THIS thread!
Are you suggesting that all science is fraudulent because one person here and there falsified data (and were subsequently caught and/or ratted out by other scientists)?
For the theory of evolution to be incorrect as you claim, it would require the collusion of tens of thousands of scientists and field researchers all working together in the most grandiose cover-up in human history, and that people in the science profession are by definition the most dishonest and incompetent people on earth.
Your contention is ridiculous, and quite frankly, insulting; and so far, you have yet to present any evidence of black helicopters hovering around university biology departments confiscating excavations of dinosaur saddles and precambrian puppy fossils to protect their precious theory.
On the faith level, I do not believe that I have ever seen a greater example of a man living his faith - in the face of incredible physical pain and suffering in his final years.
"The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet."
-Damon Runyon
Ichneumon, Ichneumon...I have skimmed over the lengthy post #76 that you referred to in one of your previous posts. No doubt, it seems impressive, and I freely concede that I do not have the background in these fields of study, not to mention the sheer time it would take, to explore all of the citations, articles, ad nauseum that you list there.
However, it is not necessary for me to go on a fruitless quest to understand the minute details of everything that evolutionists allege in their papers and articles. That would be a tremendous waste of time and energy. The crux of the matter is that it still boils down to some basic questions that must be dealt with up front.
Setting the philosophical questions aside, the two biggest problems for the evolutionists are the absence of transitional fossil forms and the blind-faith assertion that macroevolution has occurred.
Here is a link from True Origins which deals exhaustively with macroevolution. I could see just by the link titles on this page that it deals with many of the issues your post 76 referred to.
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1a.asp
Beyond that, there is the basic philosophy of atheism/agnosticism which drives the evolutionist. There are some quotes here which will surprise you. Here is an article from the Answers In Genesis website. Note especially the quotes from Michael J. Behe:
Biblical claim: We are able to recognize evidence of design (intelligent input) when we see it (e.g., Mt. Rushmore, a watch). The evidence of design in the creation is also apparent and implies there is a Designer.
Secular counter-claim: Things have evolved to fit their environment, so of course they will appear “designed.”
The molecule of heredity, DNA, contains the information necessary to build life. Where did the information come from?
The biochemical machines necessary to “read” the information on DNA are also built by the information on the DNA. Both must be in place from the beginning in order to function properly.
Information scientists have found that information and code systems cannot arise from matter on their own, but must be organized by an intelligent source, ultimately. God, infinitely intelligent, is the source for the information and code systems necessary for life.
The evolutionists who deny God have a blind faith—they have to believe something that is against real science—namely, that information can arise from disorder by chance. The Christian faith is not a blind faith, but is logically defensible, and explains the findings of real science.
Quotes
Carl Sagan, Cosmos, p. 4, 1980. The cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be.
Richard Dawkins (a vehement atheistic evolutionist), The Blind Watchmaker, W.W. Norton & Co, New York, p. 43, 1987. We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully designed to have come into existence by chance.
Michael J. Behe, Darwin’s Black Box, The Free Press, pp. 252–253, 1996. Now it’s the turn of the fundamental science of life, modern biochemistry, to disturb. The simplicity that was once expected to be the foundation of life has proven to be a phantom; instead, systems of horrendous, irreducible complexity inhabit the cell. The resulting realization that life was designed by an intelligence is a shock to us in the twentieth century who have gotten used to thinking of life as the result of simple natural laws. But other centuries have had their shocks, and there is no reason to suppose that we should escape them.
Michael J. Behe, Darwin’s Black Box, The Free Press, p. 243, 1996. The fourth and most powerful reason for science’s reluctance to embrace a theory of intelligent design is also based on philosophical considerations. Many people, including many important and well-respected scientists, just don’t want there to be anything beyond nature. They don’t want a supernatural being to affect nature, no matter how brief or constructive the interaction may have been. In other words, like young-earth creationists, they bring an a priori philosophical commitment to their science that restricts what kinds of explanations they will accept about the physical world. Sometimes this leads to rather odd behavior.
Werner Gitt, In the Beginning was Information, CLV, Bielenfeld, Germany, pp. 64–7. There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.
Richard Lewontin (Harvard Geneticist), Billions & Billions of Demons, The New York Review of Books, p. 31, Jan. 9, 1997. Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. (Emphases in original.)
San Diego Union-Tribune, November 5, 1993. Some speculate that alien intelligence might beam vast streams of coded information, a virtual encyclopedia galactica, with insights into the origin of the universe or immortality.
Carl Sagan, The Cosmic Connection: An Extraterrestrial Perspective, Anchor Press, Doubleday, p. 224, 1973. At this very moment the messages from another civilization may be wafting across space, driven by unimaginably advanced devices, there for us to detect them—if only we knew how. Or perhaps the messages are already here, present in some everyday experience that we have not made the right mental effort to recognize. The power of such an advanced civilization is very great. Their messages may lie in quite familiar circumstances. The message from the stars may be here already. But where?
Charles Darwin, The Morality of Evolution, Autobiography, Norton, p. 94, 1958. A man who has no assured and ever-present belief in the existence of a personal God, or of a future existence with retribution and reward, can have for his rule of life, as far as I can see, only to follow those impulses and instincts which are the strongest or which seem to him the best ones.
Jeffrey Dahmer (serial murderer) in an interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, November 29, 1994. If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what’s—what’s the point of—of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That how I thought, anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing … .
Here is a link which is one of many from Answers In Genesis that describes the problem with transitional fossils:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/re1/chapter3.asp
Nicely removed from context! Your pastor would be proud.... Lies and mischaracterizations just come easy to you, don't they?
For those that don't want to scroll back to my original post from which this was ripped, my statement was:
"Oops, I was wrong. You're a proselytizing troll." (This following on my earlier statement that he was JUST a troll...)
Thanks for proving me correct!
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