Posted on 10/02/2006 9:16:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Edited on 10/02/2006 12:55:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Developing....
School Shooting injures one person,
Hostage situation may be developing.
Update: Multiple Shooting Victims and Possible Hostages in Lancaster County
Not many details available yet, but an incident has been reported from Mine Rd. in Bart Township in Lancaster County involving multiple gunshot victims. Dennis Buterbaugh reports live from our newsroom. abc27 has a news crew on the way. We will update with details as they become available.
Update 2: Pennsylvania Police: Amish School is 'Horrendous Crime Scene' After Shooting
NICKEL MINES, Pa. — At least two female students and one slightly older female — who may have been a teacher's aide — were shot and killed execution style in what police say may be a revenge killing for something that happened 20 years ago.
State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller said Monday that truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV entered the one-room Amish schoolhouse in earlier in the day. The gunman brought in pieces of wood to board up the doors to the building when he entered the school. He also stacked desks against the building's doors.
"It appears that the suspect entered school with the intention of taking hostages," Miller said.
Roberts had wire ties and plastic flex cuff, which he used to begin tying the hostages feet together after they were lined up along a blackboard. He let go 15 male students, as well as one adult female who was pregnant. Three other non-student females with infants were also allowed to leave. One shotgun and one handgun was found next to the suspect when police entered the building.
"It seems as though he wanted to attack young, female victims," Miller said.
After a half hour inside, Roberts began shooting. When the gunfire stopped, three females were found shot dead at the scene, along with the suspect, who shot himself, Miller said. At least seven more victims — some critically wounded — were transported to nearby hospitals, he said. One victim, a young girl, died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said. He could not confirm how many people died en route or at the hospital. The county coroner earlier reported six children killed but then backed off of that statement.
Yep, I've never been aware of the Amish not owning their own land...there's much that is communal like the schools and the church itself, but a family runs its own farm and splits it up among the sons when the father passes (of course, when you have 5 sons, eventually everbody has a postage stamp and that's when 4 of the sons take off to Indiana.)
And income is income - the IRS isn't going to stop taxing farm income just because the farm is owned by a church - they're going to track that down.
The Amish own their own places. They take turns in hosting the church service in their houses but the there is no tax exemption.
They do not pay ss tax nor do they particpate in the ss system for they do not belive it is right to have insurance.
Uh, Huh? It's not the young people doing it here, it's crazy old coots. These boomer aged men who are probably having bad flashbacks from old acid trips or something. Who knows, but I'll say that our young people need armed teachers more than they need Jesus.
Thank you also for reaffirming my faith in this site...I was trying to keep up with the developments at work, and I wanted to post (couldn't remember my password to log on elsewhwere) and was just so taken aback by the horror of what happened (incomprehensible, I can't fathom what occurred in that school house) and by the posts of some of the keyboard commandos here. Thank you (and the mods) for representing the thoughts and prayers of so many.
I have had the joy of working with members of the Amish community (years ago). They are such a steadfast reminder of what is great about our country. Their faith in God; their loyality to their families and community; their work ethic. I can only imagine how their community will help the families affected; no grief counselors. They will take care of their own.
Prayers sent out. My heart just breaks...
It was committed by someone outside of the Amish Community. I get your logic, but since this guy isn't Amish, he's watching the tube or listening to the Nutty Newscasters.
The main teacher ran for the nearest phone. Yes, in hindsight, one of the teachers with an infant could have ran for the phone and the main teacher could have tried to attack the guy, but given the split-second they had to figure out what to do
These are ANABAPTISTS for Pete's sake. They will lift a hand to no one. It isn't in their ken to do so. Remember though, they believe that this world is a preparation for a better one...they take a longer view than most English.
I am just sick to death of this.......these cowards who shoot themselves after they carry out the murder of CHILDREN....
I just spoke to Penn State Hospital and was informed someone is already working to have something setup by morning for donations through a bank.
ping to 1507
They are being flooded with calls right now ....
Thank you for that information EBH, it is important...
Thank you so very much!
Yes, Amish pay all Federal, State and local taxes just like anyone else. They do not participate in the Social Security program but they also do not receive any benefits.
My biggest tip to anyone thinking about Amish is: they are people the same as you and I. They have a different lifestyle and different values but they have the same faults and bad characters as the rest of society. They are not perfect people just because they have a rather spartan and austere way of living.
There are groups of conservative/traditional people who think they can insulate themselves from the secular world, and save themselves and their families from the bad influences. While I admire their efforts, as long as human nature is weak, there will be sin. If such people are Christian, I think they run the risk of ignoring Our Lord's commission to spread the Gospel to the four corners of the earth.
The Amish and Mennonite plain people know a lot about sin and pain. I remember well the Plain Dress Mennonite woman who stayed with me a week. Her face was a criss cross of the scars she bore after an attack on the African mission she helped found.
Thank you for checking into this EBH. I would gladly donate to help defray their medical costs. I can't afford much, but would like to do to what I can.
This has affected me (and so, so many others on this forum) very deeply and I would like to something, anything, to help.
Please ping me to the info when it becomes available if you could.
Prayers all around for the victims and their families. Sleep will not come easily tonight, but the tears sure will.
Here us the link you wanted to post earlier from News Journal:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061002/NEWS/61002010
Seems to have very up-to-date info.
"The man that did this today was not the Charlie I've beenmarried to for almost 10 years. My husband was loving, supportive and thoughtful -- all the things you'd always want and more. He was an exceptional father. He took the kids to soccer practice and games, played ball in the backyard and took our 7-year-old daughter shopping. He never said no when I asked him to change a diaper. Our hearts are broken, our lives shattered and we grieve for the innocent lives that were lost today. Above all, please pray. Pray for the families who lost children today. Please pray to for our family and children."
This man shattered his own family and the families of all those who were in the schoolhoues, killed or not.
God be with them all.
Ok guys, I answered my own question. Here is a briefing of school shootings over the past ten years. I honestly don't see anything that would cause me to believe that it has anything to do with anti gun legislation or elections. Let's not start sounding like the looney left here OK?
A Time Line of Recent Worldwide School Shootings
Feb. 2, 1996
Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.
Feb. 19, 1997
Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.
Oct. 1, 1997
Pearl, Miss. Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.
Dec. 1, 1997
West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.
Dec. 15, 1997
Stamps, Ark. Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.
March 24, 1998
Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.
April 24, 1998
Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.
May 19, 1998
Fayetteville, Tenn. One student killed in the parking lot at Lincoln County High School three days before he was to graduate. The victim was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis.
May 21, 1998
Springfield, Ore. Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.
June 15, 1998
Richmond, Va. One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.
April 20, 1999
Littleton, Colo. 14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the nation's deadliest school shooting. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves.
May 20, 1999
Conyers, Ga. Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend.
Nov. 19, 1999
Deming, N.M. Victor Cordova Jr., 12, shot and killed Araceli Tena, 13, in the lobby of Deming Middle School.
Dec. 6, 1999
Fort Gibson, Okla. Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.
Feb. 29, 2000
Mount Morris Township, Mich. Six-year-old Kayla Rolland shot dead at Buell Elementary School near Flint, Mich. The assailant was identified as a six-year-old boy with a .32-caliber handgun.
March 10, 2000
Savannah, Ga. Two students killed by Darrell Ingram, 19, while leaving a dance sponsored by Beach High School.
May 26, 2000
Lake Worth, Fla. One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.
Sept. 26, 2000
New Orleans, La. Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School.
Jan. 17, 2001
Baltimore, Md. One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.
March 5, 2001
Santee, Calif. Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.
March 7, 2001
Williamsport, Pa. Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.
March 22, 2001
Granite Hills, Calif. One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.
March 30, 2001
Gary, Ind. One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.
Nov. 12, 2001
Caro, Mich. Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.
Jan. 15, 2002
New York, N.Y. A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School.
April 14, 2003
New Orleans, La. One 15-year-old killed, and three students wounded at John McDonogh High School by gunfire from four teenagers (none were students at the school). The motive was gang-related.
April 24, 2003
Red Lion, Pa. James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.
Sept. 24, 2003
Cold Spring, Minn. Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.
March 21, 2005
Red Lake, Minn. Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.
Nov. 8, 2005
Jacksboro, Tenn. One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.
Sept. 26, 2006
Bailey, Colo. Adult male held six students hostage at Platte Canyon High School and then shot and killed Emily Keyes, 16, and himself.
Oct. 2, 2006
Lancaster, PA.
You beat me to it...........
I even posted on the message board, there are times when I am very happy I left Delaware. some of those people have NO clue.
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