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To: ExSoldier
It makes me sick that you are more worried about keeping your damn guns then you are about innocent 7 year old girls be gunned down. Spare me I am a RINO? I wear the horn with pride. Mean while in the last week 7 little innocent girls are now dead. Hope you feel good about keeping your guns.
1,600 posted on 10/03/2006 4:34:02 AM PDT by defconw (Gearing up for W2 in 08!)
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Every Yom Kippur for over 30 years I have always included an extra prayer: "Please let this day go by without another war, terrorist attack, calamity..."

Prayers out for the victims of this innocent community.

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1,602 posted on 10/03/2006 4:40:16 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 60-65)
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To: defconw; the invisib1e hand; Centurion2000; Trinity5; Dead Corpse; Joe Brower; Jeff Head; ...
Hi defconw-

"...It makes me sick that you are more worried about keeping your damn guns then you are about innocent 7 year old girls be gunned down. Spare me I am a RINO? I wear the horn with pride. Meanwhile in the last week 7 little innocent girls are now dead. Hope you feel good about keeping your guns..."


Wow, I don't even know where to begin dissecting your breathless post. Perhaps a few questions are in order:

Your anger is clearly misplaced. FReepers and gunowners in general feel absolutely sickened about this horrible tragedy and hope other crimes can be prevented in the future. To answer your question, yes, I feel very good about keeping my guns.

~ Blue Jays ~

1,603 posted on 10/03/2006 5:12:29 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: defconw

Hey, Why don't you go and give up your constitutional rights elsewhere? Don't even think you can shove that BS down the throats of lawful gun owners.

If the right lawful gunowner was in the right place in this instance(read: everywhere), this defective "thing" would have been ventilated at the door of the school.

Please crusade elsewhere.


1,609 posted on 10/03/2006 5:30:15 AM PDT by SubmarineNuke (To the Sea I shall return)
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To: defconw

You demonstate your ignorance. This was a WACKO he would have been mixing explosives in his kitchen and strapping them to his body.

The issue here is not guns or the laws that protect the "unalienble rights".

Saying you are a proud rino is the same as saying you are a proud eunach. You are meaningless to the future.


1,613 posted on 10/03/2006 5:34:58 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: defconw; ExSoldier
The criminals will still get the guns, because they're criminals. Anyone who is willing to break the law doesn't care if owning guns is illegal or they wouldn't be criminals. All we'd have is a situation where the unarmed populace it at the mercy (HA!) of the armed criminal element; who again don't care if what they're doing is illegal, or they wouldn't be doing it. Anyone who wants to do something like this so bad will get the guns on the black market. If he didn't have a gun, he'd killed them some other way. The Amish won't fight back and a bunch of small girls couldn't anyway.

Gun control only keeps the weapons out of the hands of law abaing citizens.

Besides, how do you explain that when loaded guns were kept above the door in homes across this country as an act of responsibility and kids learned how to use them at an early age, for most of this country's history, we didn't have this kind of nonsense. It's not the guns!

So, with that kind of *logic* let's get rid of forks and spoons because they make people fat since they're used to eat with. DUH!

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The framers of the Constitution recognized that without the ability to protect ones self, people were subject to tyranny.

1,614 posted on 10/03/2006 5:36:22 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: defconw
Hope you feel good about keeping your guns

A drunk driver killed 3 people this past weekend. Should I feel guilty about keeping my car?

1,619 posted on 10/03/2006 5:46:37 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: defconw
It makes me sick that you are more worried about keeping your damn guns knives then you are about innocent 7 year old girls be gunned down non-muslims being beheaded.

While you're at it, work on anti-knife legislation. After all, terrorists use them to behead people and we can't have the risk of knives falling into the wrong hands.

1,625 posted on 10/03/2006 5:52:11 AM PDT by ukie55
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To: defconw

Going postal in gun-free zones
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1574327/posts

School shootings have been stopped twice by private citizens with guns. But because the gummit doesn't trust good folks with guns around kids in schools only insane a**holes with guns are found around kids in schools.


1,628 posted on 10/03/2006 5:59:16 AM PDT by enviros_kill
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To: defconw
It makes me sick that you are more worried about keeping your damn guns freedom of speech then you are about innocent 7 year old girls be gunned down. Spare me I am a RINO? I wear the horn with pride. Mean while in the last week 7 little innocent girls are now dead. Hope you feel good about keeping your guns freedom of speech.

Just how many inaliable rights are you ready to surrender? I'm keeping my damn guns whether 7 year or 70 year olds are gunned down everyday. Its bleeding hearts like you that have us in such a moral deficiency today.

1,644 posted on 10/03/2006 6:28:43 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ( Arm the Pilots. Arm the Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum.)
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To: defconw
Unfortunately, the liberal media jackals in Pennsylvania are already using this to bolster call for more gun control laws in Pennsylvania, even though none of the laws being proposed would have made any difference in this situation. So the concern by some is justified. I'd rather we not have to worry about such so soon after this tragedy, but the liberals will not excerise the same constraint about politicizing this today that FR exercised yesterday.
1,649 posted on 10/03/2006 6:34:11 AM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: defconw

A total weapons ban would not have kept this nut from murdering these little girls. Evil people will find a way to kill, with or without weapons. Pray for the families of the victims and stop blaming inanimate objects for the evil acts of disturbed people.


1,651 posted on 10/03/2006 6:35:10 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: defconw

It isn't the guns. It is the increasingly immoral and chaotic world we live in.


1,658 posted on 10/03/2006 6:39:30 AM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: defconw; DCBryan1
It makes me sick that you are more worried about keeping your damn guns then you are about innocent 7 year old girls be gunned down. Spare me I am a RINO? I wear the horn with pride. Mean while in the last week 7 little innocent girls are now dead. Hope you feel good about keeping your guns.

The children are dead because NO ONE BOTHERED TO DEFEND THEM FROM SOMEONE WHO INTENDED TO MURDER THEM!!!

If the adults [or, God forbid, the children themselves] had been armed, then NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED!!!

Why do you think the Muslims, the PRC, the North Koreans, the Russkies, and every-dad-gummed-else-body who wants to wipe the USofA off the face of the earth hasn't [yet] succeeded?

BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ARMS TO DEFEND OURSELVES, AND WE ARE READY AND WILLING TO DEPLOY THOSE ARMS!!!

1,661 posted on 10/03/2006 6:41:30 AM PDT by BubbaHeel
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To: defconw

I think your thinking is defective.

Nothing will stop a determined lunatic who wants to kill himself and innocent people except an armed cop in every school - and even that is no assurnace. He could just as easily have rented an SUV, waited at a bus stop, and then plowed into a crowd of kids.

He could have strapped a bomb to himself a la Hezbollah or Hamas and blown himself and the school up and everybody in it.

The issue isn't someone's wish to keep "their damn guns".
The issue here is an obviously grieved individual (you) and your inability to connect the dots.

The right to keep and bear arms is a Constitutional one, and one grounded in long-time American traditions for good reasons. Read the Declaration of Independence, the part about the right of a people to alter or abolish a tyrannical government.

Removing guns from the public will not assure the prevention of incidents like this one, but it most certainly will put one more nail in the already half-constructed coffin of American freedom.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no distinguishing characteristics between a RINO and a Democrat and I doubt very much if this incident was responsible for formulating your already flawed views on the Second Amendment, a free people, and right to keep and bear arms.


1,666 posted on 10/03/2006 6:47:06 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: defconw; Joe Brower; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; All
It makes me sick that you are more worried about keeping your damn guns then you are about innocent 7 year old girls be gunned down...

~SIGH~ Another willing victim of the public schools. As others have said, gun control's not about the guns....it's about control. You're not a RINO for being ignorant. Lots of good conservatives also believe as you do. Not their fault. They, like you...are sheep. Don't wear the horn....just say Baaaaaaaa and that's okay. You are what you are. I'm a sheepdog and I ONLY HANG WITH SHEEPDOGS. We Sheepdogs live to protect you sheep and confront the wolves of society. The ones who won't be stopped until somebody gets in their path and physically stops them. Like Joe Brower. He and I and all the other sheepdogs of society (everyone with a CCW permit--who's serious about it) will face any danger, armed or not to protect the sheep (you).

defconw I'm not going to lash back at you for your ignorance. The killings in PA were not avoidable. You cannot legislate against insanity. The Amish are a closed society. They are peaceful and refuse to take "security measures." I'll bet their schools are classified as "private." If a gun hadn't been present then the human mind will devise another method. Like say...an airplane? Sound familiar? But what if the teachers or Principal in the other shootings this past week had been discreetly armed and well skilled in the use of said defensive sidearm? Read the essay and try to understand.....

1,670 posted on 10/03/2006 6:48:35 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: defconw

I don't feel so good about my guns today. I no longer think they're big enough, and I don't think I have enough of them. Time for another shopping spree.


1,712 posted on 10/03/2006 7:58:42 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: defconw
Hope you feel good about keeping your guns

What does a responsible, law abiding individual keeping guns have to do with this horrendous crime other then perhaps if such a person was in the vicinity, they may have been able to prevent it? People like you scare me.

1,769 posted on 10/03/2006 10:14:15 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: defconw
It makes me sick that you are more worried about keeping your damn guns then you are about innocent 7 year old girls be gunned down. Spare me I am a RINO? I wear the horn with pride. Mean while in the last week 7 little innocent girls are now dead. Hope you feel good about keeping your guns.

defconw, I feel very good about keeping my guns and I feel very bad about those precious little girls getting raped and murdered by a madman. It makes me sick to know that any child has to go through the evil that adults do to them. That said, it was NOT the guns that killed them, but rather it was a madman. Responsible gun owners don't do this kind of thing. IF people are determined to kill, and they don't have access to guns, they will do it with explosives, swords, knives, baseball bat, etc., because THEY want to kill. The weapons they use is NOT the problem!

Even if "every" gun in America were banned and given up by law abiding citizens, criminals would never give up their guns. That's because they're criminals and that's what criminals do. They break the law. The only difference is that if a man came to my house to rob and rape me, I would have NO way to defend myself. It's only a matter of time before terrorists are going to start attacking Americans again, and we have to have a way to protect ourselves and our loved ones, or in another "Katrina" fiasco, Americans have the right to defend ourselves. You saw how the government was unable to protect the citizens in New Orleans.

IMO, there is another answer to these school shootings. Locks! As soon as the bell rings, the administration needs to lock all outside doors. As soon as each class period changes, those rooms need to be locked during school too. THAT will keep any nut case from entering the school like the last two killers did. It may not be the perfect answer, but it would be a lot less expensive and a way to make kids much more secure, and they could do that right NOW! It would also give school security a better chance to spot someone or something that signals danger. They would be in the halls during class change to make sure kids are safe then too.

1,821 posted on 10/03/2006 1:39:24 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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