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One in Four Smokers Will Get Lung Disease
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Posted on 10/17/2006 1:09:34 PM PDT by trumandogz

TUESDAY, Oct. 17 (HealthDay News) -- A new study finds that at least 1 in every 4 smokers will develop progressive and incurable chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), a much higher risk than previously believed.

COPD is a respiratory disease that results in blocked air flow to the lungs and grows progressively worse.

For this study, published online in the journal Thorax, researchers at Hvidovre Hospital analyzed data on 8,000 men and women, ages 30 to 60. All were monitored for 25 years as part of the Copenhagen City Heart Study.

At the start of the study, all the participants' lungs were healthy and working normally. However, over the course of the 25 years, the lungs of almost all the male non-smokers continued to function normally, compared to 60 percent of men who continued to smoke.

Among women, 90 percent of non-smokers still had healthy lungs at the end of 25 years, compared to 70 percent of smokers.

Overall, 25 percent of the participants developed moderate or severe COPD over the 25 years. Persistent smokers were six times more likely to develop COPD than non-smokers.

During the 25 years, there were 2,900 deaths in the study group. Of those deaths, 109 were directly attributable to COPD, and nearly all those deaths were in people who were active smokers at the start of the study. Only two non-smokers died of COPD.

The study also found a sharp decline in the risk of COPD among people who stopped smoking soon after the start of the study. Over the 25 years, none of these ex-smokers developed severe COPD.


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To: wagglebee

Yes, but 25% will DIE. In 'meat & potato' terms....1 IN 4 WILL DIE THAT SMOKE.


51 posted on 10/17/2006 1:52:49 PM PDT by maineman
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To: svcw
conclusively?

Yes. Conclusively.

52 posted on 10/17/2006 1:53:30 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: wagglebee

Just wait til it gets so bad that you have quit because of Emphysema, COPD and a lung gone. As is the case here

Nicotine was the hardest for me to quit and as usual I wheeze and cough when I try to do anything except sleep. And sometimes even than. If the government didn't make so much in taxes on it they would outlaw it.


53 posted on 10/17/2006 1:53:47 PM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: L98Fiero

SMOKE UP!!!

54 posted on 10/17/2006 1:55:31 PM PDT by maineman
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To: zarf
"If people would take better care of their health, maybe those of us who do wouldn't have to subsidize those would constantly go to the doctor for avoidable problems driving up our insurance rates."

Sounds like a deal....just stop using the jogging tracks, sidewalks, public swimming pools, parks etc. that we smokers have subsidized in tobacco taxes, and we'll be able to subsidize our own health care.

55 posted on 10/17/2006 1:56:02 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: maineman
How's this?

"One in one will die who eat, drink and breath."

56 posted on 10/17/2006 1:56:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Toby06

You should not joke like that.

I know it is just a web site, but ...the stuff is killer.

When I was younger, I used to be unconcerned about the health hazards of ...well anything.

Nowadays, I see lots of folks expire who might have lived many years longer if they had made certain different choices.

I recently learned that I am soon to be a grandfather.

I want to enjoy some of that.

Many of the people that I see regularly, will never have that opportunity. It is sad.


57 posted on 10/17/2006 1:57:41 PM PDT by Radix (This is my Tag Line.)
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To: wagglebee

You said: Which means that 75% NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM, so why not report it that way?!
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I don't smoke, never have. I don't who else does, that's a personal choice. But a 25% chance of a pretty crummy disease might bother me if were considering smoking. Sure, 75% chance of no lung disease, but I'm not sure what other risks I would take at 25% chance. If 25% of those who crossed the street were killed by cars, would you cross? If 25% of those who ate peanut butter sandwiches choked to death, would you choose another kind of sandwich?

Those odds don't sound too good when you are talking about a risk to your life. Then again, each of us gets to choose.


58 posted on 10/17/2006 1:58:57 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: trumandogz
There are a lot of other diseases smokers get. Losing your teeth is not even considered a disease but it's pretty common.
59 posted on 10/17/2006 1:59:18 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Man defiles a rock when he chips it with a tool. Ex 20:25)
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To: Alter Kaker

I would hope they tracked more information than what is published here.


60 posted on 10/17/2006 1:59:39 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: trumandogz
A new study finds that at least 1 in every 4 smokers will develop progressive and incurable chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), a much higher risk than previously believed.

Isn't it interesting that of all the smokers I've ever known, only one (my dad), ever got any type of lung disease? The folks I know must just be extra lucky or something.

61 posted on 10/17/2006 2:00:14 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: svcw

I gotta admit, a lot of the talk about disease is what prompted me to quit smoking.

But mostly it was the cost, the social exclusion, and the stench it created.

There's no guarantee that any one smoker will get any one disease due to their smoking, but it's true that smoking puts you at a higher risk for all sorts of nastiness. Nastiness I'd rather avoid while keeping more dosh in my pocket. :-)


62 posted on 10/17/2006 2:01:38 PM PDT by nofaceveils
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To: verum ago
everyone who gets cancer has eaten carrots.

I'm willing to bet that's not true!

You may be right, but they all drank water!

63 posted on 10/17/2006 2:02:00 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Radix

I didn't make any jokes. What did you think was humorous? We are all going to die. I had a healthy neighbor get hit by a bus. I went for a smoke break. I've been on a respiratory floor (I have a ANOTHER nurse girlfriend, what can I say, I like nurses)

I smoke, but I am not some freak alarmist. I want to enjoy my time, not suffer eating bland food mixed with sawdust. I like beer & cigars.

Oh horrors, i drive fast, too.

Screw it, I like living life, and if I go a little early, tough crap, I'm having fun. I don't plan on having anythin left at the end, I want to use up every single bit of life in me.


64 posted on 10/17/2006 2:02:21 PM PDT by Toby06
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To: NCLaw441

If you crossed the street 20-60 times a day for 25 years your risk of dying from being hit by a car would go way up.


65 posted on 10/17/2006 2:03:07 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Dov in Houston
Just wait til it gets so bad that you have quit because of Emphysema, COPD and a lung gone. As is the case here Nicotine was the hardest for me to quit and as usual I wheeze and cough when I try to do anything except sleep. And sometimes even than. If the government didn't make so much in taxes on it they would outlaw it.

I'm so sorry to hear about that. I've known far too many people in your situation. Just wait for the addicts on FR to attack you, however.

66 posted on 10/17/2006 2:03:41 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: zarf
If people would take better care of their health, maybe those of us who do wouldn't have to subsidize those would constantly go to the doctor for avoidable problems driving up our insurance rates.

Yeah, I'm tired of paying the medical costs for those morons who blow out their knees from running.

67 posted on 10/17/2006 2:03:58 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: thoughtomator
Brilliant!!!

We must all smoke for a couple of years or we have a higher chance of dying from COPD!!!

Now, that is a headline - but it doesn't play into the anti-smoking crusader's agenda.
68 posted on 10/17/2006 2:05:20 PM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: Toby06
Time for a smoke. BRB.


Thank YOU for smoking!
69 posted on 10/17/2006 2:06:59 PM PDT by rock_lobsta (Offending liberals since 1993)
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To: Alter Kaker

They can attack away. I was addicted and decided I wanted to live a bit and finally beat it. Beat the tobacco but lost all my chances of leading a normal life


70 posted on 10/17/2006 2:08:25 PM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: Darteaus94025

Yep. Even though it appears nonsensical, that is the objective conclusion to reading the data presented - former smokers have less risk than those who never smoked. Oh, the irony.


71 posted on 10/17/2006 2:08:31 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: Baynative

Well, if you read most of the messages in this thread, tobacco can't be blamed for this person's health problems.
According to this thinking ,there is no such thing as "smoker's disabilities."


72 posted on 10/17/2006 2:10:39 PM PDT by cydcharisse
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To: wagglebee
"Which means that 75% NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM, so why not report it that way?!"

Because the 75% have heart attacks first

73 posted on 10/17/2006 2:13:42 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Gordongekko909

LOL.... thanks, I knew it wasn't Thorax, but I just couldn't recall the name.


74 posted on 10/17/2006 2:19:31 PM PDT by Unknown Pundit
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To: Moonman62
The bad breath serves to keep people like you far away...
;O)
75 posted on 10/17/2006 2:20:39 PM PDT by metesky (My investment program is holding steady @ .05 a can.)
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To: trumandogz

Some weep-o-crat study again. biased. Not too smart weep-o-crats!!!


76 posted on 10/17/2006 2:22:50 PM PDT by Weep-o-crat Hunter
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To: Old Professer

You said: If you crossed the street 20-60 times a day for 25 years your risk of dying from being hit by a car would go way up.
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I am no statistician, so I don't know if the odds go up for each time you cross the street. Theoretically the risk is the same each time, I think. But then again, I am just a lawyer, and former high school foreign language teacher. My son is good at math, though...


77 posted on 10/17/2006 2:23:58 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: MEGoody
You may be right, but they all drank water!

time for the ol' lecture on the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide! BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!
78 posted on 10/17/2006 2:24:35 PM PDT by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: trumandogz
100% of Smoke Nazis spend an inordinate amount of time wringing their hands and clucking over the choices some adults make.
79 posted on 10/17/2006 2:24:39 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: trumandogz

Frankly, I find it amazing that only 25% of the people who smoke for 25years get COPD.

I wonder why?


81 posted on 10/17/2006 2:27:23 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God we trust. All others we monitor.)
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To: Just another Joe

During the 25 years, there were 2,900 deaths in the study group. Of those deaths, 109 were directly attributable to COPD, and nearly all those deaths were in people who were active smokers at the start of the study. Only two non-smokers died of COPD.

I'd say a lot less then 25% died of COPD..

82 posted on 10/17/2006 2:27:27 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: NCLaw441
I am no statistician, so I don't know if the odds go up for each time you cross the street. Theoretically the risk is the same each time, I think

True - the the risk is the same each time. However, if you choose to take that risk more often (cross the street more often than normal), your overall chances of being hit over time will increase.
83 posted on 10/17/2006 2:28:23 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: trumandogz

I am by no means a smoking advocate and hate it, frankly, but I gotta call misleading phrases when I see them. Look at this from the article:

"The study also found a sharp decline in the risk of COPD among people who stopped smoking soon after the start of the study. Over the 25 years, none of these ex-smokers developed severe COPD."

The key word is "severe", towards the end. So some of them DID develope "non-severe" COPD?

I want to know what percentage of the smokers develeped SEVERE COPD, vs non-severe, which doesn't seem to be worth mentioning in the "ex-smokers".


84 posted on 10/17/2006 2:30:13 PM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: Tokra
Already been done - in 1937

You don't even have to go that far back. I listen to old radio shows streamed online. They also play the commercials. The cigarette commercials from the 40s and 50s often mention health benefits of a particular brand over another. It's just weird.

I learned yesterday that my stepfather, who has been struggling w/lung cancer (lifelong Camels smoker), probably only has a few months left. The doctor told my mother about hospices, so I think that about seals it. For years I begged the two of them to stop smoking, but I was teased as being a health freak and afraid of a 'little smoke.'

85 posted on 10/17/2006 2:30:24 PM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: wagglebee

True, my friend. I just choose to die without the effects of smoking eating my insides apart.


86 posted on 10/17/2006 2:31:06 PM PDT by maineman
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To: wagglebee

I just examined a smoker's lung in Anatomy this week. Very yucky, full of dark plaques, very hard to the touch compared to a healthy lung. Smoking is not good for anyone.


87 posted on 10/17/2006 2:32:21 PM PDT by brwnsuga
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To: NCLaw441

The risk is the same each time but cumulative for repetition.

Same thing for smokers; one cigarette/day is nothing compared to 2-3 packs/day.


88 posted on 10/17/2006 2:34:00 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: brwnsuga

Smoked lung simply does not have the same appeal as smoked salmon or smoked brisket.


89 posted on 10/17/2006 2:34:56 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Baynative
I say ; "anyone born after 1960 should not be eligible for any medical subsistance related to nicotine if they CHOOSE to kill themselves after all the publicity smoking has gotten over the years."

What do we do about all those fatties who refuse to put down the fork and step away from the table?

90 posted on 10/17/2006 2:37:49 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: metesky
Nice Vocabulary.
91 posted on 10/17/2006 2:38:26 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: maineman

"SMOKE UP!!!"

Sorry, gave it up. I heard tell it was bad for me.


92 posted on 10/17/2006 2:39:37 PM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: Toby06
With that logic, just strap a bomb to your back and get it over with. Better yet, grab some leaves, roll them up in some paper, start it on fire and breathe it.

Smoking is SOOOO COOOL!!! (Sarcasm off...)

93 posted on 10/17/2006 2:40:52 PM PDT by Paco
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To: trumandogz

Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) is a terminal disease. There is no cure. Lung tissue is destroyed which causes the gas exchange that takes place in the lungs to become impaired causing oxygen shortages to major organs such as the heart and brain.

The sufferer, over a period of years, will become disabled. Physical things that they could do before the last lung infection are now impossible. Everyday activities like bathing, dressing, using the toilet become impossible without supplemental oxygen and assistance from a caregiver. Lung infections and hospitalizations become routine. Many people who have COPD develop lung cancer.

Many have undergone Lung Volume Reduction surgery where the dead parts of the lung are cut away to make room in the chest for the lungs to move.

Lung transplantation has a survival rate of ~5 years.

In the end stages of the disease the sufferer is tethered to an oxygen tank and in most cases, a wheel chair. Death is usually from suffocation, although one can hope that a heart attack will take one sooner. It takes a long time to die from COPD.
The medicines used to treat the symptoms have severe side effects.

COPD is caused by smoking. It is a horrific disease and sadly, it is preventable. If you smoke, get your lungs checked. You may be in the "at risk" stage and still able to prevent years of suffering.

More information may be found at the National Heart Lung and Blood Institute
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/meetings/workshops/copd_clinical.htm


94 posted on 10/17/2006 2:41:50 PM PDT by cindyh
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To: Radix

that's why I quit jumping from planes and helicopters.


95 posted on 10/17/2006 2:43:38 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: trumandogz

96 posted on 10/17/2006 2:43:51 PM PDT by maineman
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To: trumandogz; metesky

"Nice Vocabulary."

At least he's not a liar.

You don't smoke? Good for you. Now stop making crap up about those who do.


97 posted on 10/17/2006 2:44:26 PM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: Paco

98 posted on 10/17/2006 2:45:39 PM PDT by maineman
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To: L98Fiero

Where did I lie?


99 posted on 10/17/2006 2:46:40 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: L98Fiero

100 posted on 10/17/2006 2:46:43 PM PDT by maineman
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