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Mary Cheney's pregnancy affects us all
Townhall ^ | 12/07/2006 | Janice Shaw Crouse

Posted on 12/07/2006 7:16:54 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

Mary Cheney’s pregnancy poses problems not just for her child, but also for all Americans. Her action repudiates traditional values and sets an appalling example for young people at a time when father absence is the most pressing social problem facing the nation. With 37 percent of American children born to fatherless families, Mary Cheney is contributing to a trend that is detrimental to all Americans who will live with the ramifications of millions of children whose anger and frustration at not knowing their father will be felt in the public schools and communities of our nation.

Mary Cheney is among that burgeoning group of adult women over age 20 that are driving the trend of women who don’t want a man in the picture, but want to have a baby. These older women are pushing out-of-wedlock birth statistics higher and higher. At a time when teen births and teen abortions are declining dramatically, older women are having more un-wed births and more abortions, including repeat abortions (indicating that they are using abortion as birth control).

Well-educated, professional Mary Cheney is flying in the face of the accumulated wisdom of the top experts who agree that the very best family structure for a child’s well-being is a married mom and dad family. Her child will have all the material advantages it will need, but it will still encounter the emotional devastation common to children without fathers.

One Georgia high school principal reported, “We have too many young men and women from single-mother families that don’t have the role models at home to teach them how to deal with adversity and handle responsibility. They’ve seen their mom work 60 hours a week just to put food on the table; they end up fending for themselves.”

When fatherless children get to be teens, the girls tend to start looking for love in all the wrong places and the boys tend to find as their role model the bad-boy celebrities of MTV, NFL and NBA.

As they grow older, fatherless children tend to have trouble dealing with male authority figures. Too often children in single-mother households end up angry at their absent fathers and resentful of the mother who has had to be a father figure, too. Typically, the boys who have a love-hate relationship with their mother end up hating all women. Numerous of them look for vulnerable women where they can act out their anger and be in control.

Mary Cheney’s action sets an example that is detrimental for mothers with less financial resources who will start down an irrevocable path into poverty that tends to be generational –– children in households without a father tend to themselves have unwed births later in life. Experts from both the left and the right cite a disastrous litany of negative outcomes that are predictable when a child grows up in a fatherless family. Such children tend to get involved in drugs, alcohol abuse, and delinquency; they tend to drop out of school and have teen pregnancies. An assistant principal in a Junior High School said that many of the behavioral problems that teachers face in the classroom stem from households without a father’s influence.

Mary’s pregnancy is an “in-your-face” action countering the Bush Administration’s pro-family, pro-marriage and pro-life policies. She continues to repudiate the work to which her father has devoted his life. Mary has repeatedly said that “studies” show that children only need a loving home. Her statement is incomplete because the experts agree that for the well-being of children, they desperately need a married father and a mother.

All those people who talk about doing what is best “for our children” need to get back to the basics: children need a married mom and dad. Children can do without a lot of the trimmings of childhood, but nothing can replace a home where the mother and dad love each other enough to commit for a lifetime and are absolutely crazy about their kids –– enough to be willing to sacrifice their own needs to see that their children get the very best.


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To: HitmanLV
Giving Mary Cheney too much credit or heat is misplaced. I don't know why some folks would be unusually fixated by her case.

There's nothing more appealing and satisfying than rubbing people's noses in an "I am better than you" blanket. Perhaps some people have too much time on their hands - that tends to be the main contributor to this lamentable malady, which affects a lot of us.

441 posted on 12/07/2006 9:49:55 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Wise words. ;-)


442 posted on 12/07/2006 9:50:53 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: xsmommy

"You see, i talk to my kids about right and wrong and what is good for society and that which is inadvisable, in the context of current events, so that they are not inured to the degradation of our society. if one doesn't provide a moral framework for one's children and leaves them to absorb the morals of popular culture it is even more lamentable."

Absolutely agree and well stated.


443 posted on 12/08/2006 6:28:42 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; tuffydoodle
Is she selfish for doing this? Yes, I believe so, and I might add that she is also wrong, but under such circumstances – being that Mary is a lesbian – marrying a man to have a child wouldn't have changed the view point of the child. As he/she got older, he/she would've realized that his/her mother didn't love nor even like his father, and that she preferred women, resulting in a child's distorted sense of traditional family values.

I absolutely agree, however, the answer is to NOT HAVE A CHILD. just because you are a woman and capable of childbearing doesn't mean that it is ESSENTIAL that you give birth. that is where the selfishness comes in, in this or any case like it, the absolute need to bear a child, just because i can. it can't possibly be to experience the joy of making a child with her partner, because that isn't biologically possible. there is no way to produce a child that is a product of a lesbian relationship. so truly it is all about her and her need to have a child just because she wants to, and can. and i disagree that it is any sense of being better than someone else that has people up in arms on this thread. like i said, i have kids and i talk to them about our culture and what is right and what is wrong. there are far too many WRONG things that need to be explained. my 18 year old daughter was profoundly disappointed to hear this news.

444 posted on 12/08/2006 6:47:22 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Antoninus
Pictures of Lily struck me funny the first time I heard it too. It took me a while to put it all together (Pictures of Lily, Tommy, Quadrophenia, Rough Boys, etc.). It all added up to someone who was probably molested as a child. When he said he knew how it felt to be "loved like a woman," that was enough. I put all the old Who vinyl into storage, never to be heard again. Someday, I hope to sell them to an aging hippie for some serious money.

Before we return to arguing about the unimportant stuff......please give another thought to why you put the old Who stuff away. Pete Townshend is a writer, and like all writers he creates stories and characters. That doesn't mean he is that character or even approves of what that character does. Satan is the coolest character in Paradise Lost, but that doesn't mean we should shut Milton away. I'm sure much of what Townshend writes about does come from personal experience, but if he was molested as a child (which I also believe), why should that make you think less of him?

As you might have guessed, Quadrophenia is my favorite. It came out when I was in high school, but even though I was a Who fan I didn't buy it because I thought you had to have a quadrophonic stereo system to listen to it (stupid boy that I was). In college, I started listening to my roommate's eight-track version of it, and I played it so often that the people on my floor bought me the album for my birthday. I had the great pleasure of seeing The Who perform the entire album on tour in 1996 and 1997. I also saw them just last September, and despite the sad losses of Moon and Entwistle, they still put on a kick-a** show.

And speaking of Entwistle, by the way, he is actually the one who wrote both Cousin Kevin and Fiddle About (Uncle Ernie). The Ox was one disturbed dude!
445 posted on 12/08/2006 7:15:39 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: drjimmy
My disillusionment with the Who went through several phases. The realization that Peter Townsend is a deeply disturbed person was only the final straw.

I started out believing that both he and his band-mates were musical geniuses--and cool, to boot. Of course, I was 15 or so at the time and thought Rolling Stone magazine was the ultimate arbiter of good and bad, quality and junk. Inevitably, I grew up and my horizons broadened. I got beyond "rock opera" and discovered real opera--Mozart, Rossini, Beethoven. Then I found religious music--Mozart's Requiem, Bach's Masses, Handel's Messiah, Palestrina, etc. In comparison to these enduring works of true genius, Quadrophenia and Tommy appeared as kitchy pieces of ephemera produced by a truly sick individual with no sense of the transcendant.

Of course, I didn't stop liking the music at that point--it still had a certain "rebellion" value attached to it that appealed me as an 18 year old. Then I saw the Who in concert in 1989. They were lame. Peter Townsend's years of ultra-loud riffing had destroyed his hearing and he was forced to perform behind glass with an electrified accoustic guitar. They looked old and tired--an act mailing it in in search of a paycheck.

But the last straw was all the homo-stuff that I never put together until his "loved like a woman" comments. Now, the Who was no longer even cool--just pathetic.

That said, wanna buy my Who vinyl? $50 a pop and they're yours.
446 posted on 12/08/2006 8:10:47 AM PST by Antoninus ("Dealing with the pampered and effeminate Americans will be easy." --Osama bin Laden)
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To: xsmommy

I'm still slowly reading through this thread (sorry I missed it when it was active) but I haven't seen this point made: when saying that what consenting adults do in the bedroom is nobodys business, consider the early 1980's. The bathhouses were in full swing, it was "consenting adults" using them and they were saying it was nobodys business. Then along comes AIDS, spread profusely among gays in the bathhouses. Suddenly, it becomes everyone's business. Immoral behavior affects everyone, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually, we all pay for it. Mary Cheney having a baby out of wedlock is miniscule piece of the puzzle, but a piece nonetheless.


447 posted on 12/08/2006 8:13:10 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The baby has only one mother and one father. All this pregnancy does is highlight the farce that is lesbianism. How can the desire to have sex with women go with the desire to bear children? It can't, not logically. Welcome to the end result of elevating so-called human reason and will above all else. It ends in contradiction and absurdity. There is such a thing as truth and it is not derived from our own emotions. I want therefore I am will eventually bump into reality.
448 posted on 12/08/2006 10:44:17 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: xsmommy
just because you are a woman and capable of childbearing doesn't mean that it is ESSENTIAL that you give birth. that is where the selfishness comes in, in this or any case like it, the absolute need to bear a child, just because i can. it can't possibly be to experience the joy of making a child with her partner, because that isn't biologically possible.

Faulty logic.

So a couple who can't have kids, their parenting experience is somehow lessened by adopting?

They can't "experience the joy of making a child with her partner", after all.

449 posted on 12/08/2006 2:35:25 PM PST by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: xsmommy

The root of that selfishness your refer to is anger.

What these ninnies have done is immoral and destructive.


450 posted on 12/08/2006 2:40:35 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: linda_22003
"... a pretty solid family, and the baby born into it will be well provided for, both materially and emotionally. "




It's not a family--that's where you make your primal error. The child is not being born into a nuclear traditional family but something like a post modern tribe constituted by two bio females living together telling thousands of years of social cohesion and tradition to FO!

If you can't see how this travesty undermines us all you are incapable of thinking. Or maybe agendized...
451 posted on 12/08/2006 2:54:06 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: linda_22003
>>what do you propose should be done about it?
 
Well, for starters, artificial insemination of lesbians - which is a medical procedure, should be illegal. 
 
Just as marriage between lesbians is illegal in most states.
 
 
 
Humans evolved over 4.5 billion years to procreate via heterosexual reproduction.
 
This abuse of technology is a perversion of natural law.
 
Actively selecting and reproducing homosexual genes will have consequences.
 
Ever read Frankenstein?

452 posted on 12/08/2006 8:23:29 PM PST by VxH (There are those who declare the impossible - and those who do the impossible.)
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To: eleni121

So I take it you won't be contributing to a baby shower present. :)


453 posted on 12/09/2006 5:00:31 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: VxH

Yes, I have read it (very different from the movies, isn't it?). The "monster" could quote philosophy and the classics better than most people today could, and he certainly wasn't homosexual.


454 posted on 12/09/2006 5:01:43 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: VxH
This abuse of technology is a perversion of natural law.

I take it, then, that you are opposed to all forms of artificial insemination (if in fact that's what they did in this case, which has not been established)?

455 posted on 12/09/2006 7:24:09 AM PST by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: linda_22003

you won't be contributing to a baby shower present. :)




Silly response to a very serious issue :)

Of course the baby is the innocent party in all this. The baby simply serves as a statement tool for two grown women who need to make a political statement.


456 posted on 12/09/2006 8:10:21 AM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: xsmommy

Absolutely! What the "this won't affect you" crowd doesn't understand is that there are always collective implications for people's actions that effect others. This will further destroy the traditional family and we will soon resemble Europe. Self-centered narcissistic brats who aren't having children at all because there aren't any standards left.


457 posted on 12/09/2006 8:59:48 AM PST by 444Flyer
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To: Responsibility2nd

Dick Cheney is an outstanding Grandfather to his grand kids. If he needs to stand in as a Father figure for this child, he surely will. And Lynn is an outstanding Grandmother...she'll make sure this child's needs are met completely.


458 posted on 12/09/2006 10:20:20 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: linda_22003

>>and he certainly wasn't homosexual.

But it certainly was un-natural, wasn't it?

The end result of obsession that led to abomination and the perversion of nature.


459 posted on 12/09/2006 2:00:22 PM PST by VxH (There are those who declare the impossible - and those who do the impossible.)
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To: highball

>>you are opposed to all forms of artificial insemination

Nope just where it's a clear perversion of nature.


460 posted on 12/09/2006 2:02:50 PM PST by VxH (There are those who declare the impossible - and those who do the impossible.)
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