The Papacy and Islam

Bearean Beacon ^ | Richard Bennett and Robert J. Nicholson

[kawaii]

sure thing, Christ lied, never sent a Holy Spirit, 1500 years of no church, and God selected poorly educated west europeons to save the world!

Not.

[kawaii]

i have only been baptised Orthodox however I was raised in a prebyterian church (where there’s no a minister who will be ‘happy when Mary Cheney can marry her partner of choice’, and there’s a transvestite on the board of deacons) and went to a Catholic school. Even in NY’s notoriusly questionable Albany diocese, the Catholics fared better.

[kawaii]

The "simplicity" of the gospel, for a Protestant, is revealed in *Scripture*.

The gospel as protestants read it was assembled by the Apostolic church 1500 years before Luther.

[kawaii]

For Protestants, the 16th century recovery was of that presented by the Apostles in the first century, in the NT Scriptures.

A recovery that aledges Christ never sent the Holy Spirit to giude the church as he clearly did in Holy Scripture. The protestants have been on the Bible Buffet since day one.

[kawaii]

If one must trust the authority of one's own church leadership & that the Holy Spirit only protected them (everything that they teach as dogma), the possibility that the wolves had corrupted your church would be blasphemous.

If one aledges there is not one unbroken church since 33 AD then one is aledging that God gave up and never sent the Holy Spirit. Further rather than save his church he caused division.

1Cr 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1Cr 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

1Cr 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

[kawaii]

Anyone seeing the church as having lost it's way & riddled with corrupt wolves must deny one's own lying eyes. Going back to the beginning, to see what the basic foundation looked like is fruitless to anyone who thinks there have been no changes since then that haven't come from the Holy Spirit.

One might want to ponder archaeological evidence before one assumes they've been changes.

[adiaireton8]

If one aledges there is not one unbroken church since 33 AD then one is aledging that God gave up and never sent the Holy Spirit.

All the Protestants that I know affirm that there has been one unbroken church since 33 AD. That's because they all believe that Christ did not found a visible institution, but rather an invisible Church, (i.e. the set of all believers).

-A8

[kawaii]

ahhh it was just invisible... (ie there were no actual Christians for 1500 years but there was some sort of intangible church sans actual people)

this goes back to what i said on another thread about protestants (and especially evangelicals) treating God and Christ like an invisible freind.

[Alamo-Girl]

Amen!

[adiaireton8]

ahhh it was just invisible... (ie there were no actual Christians for 1500 years but there was some sort of intangible church sans actual people)

Not quite. Protestants believe that there were actual Christians during those 1500 years, and that the Church was (and is) just the set of all those believers. So in the Protestant view, the Church is visible in the sense that whenever you look at a Christian, you are looking at part of the Church. But in the Protestant view, the Church is invisible in the sense that it is not a visible *institution*.

-A8

[P-Marlowe]

I disagree, because your conclusion is a non sequitur. The Jews do not subscribe to the Apostles or Nicene creeds either, so do you say that they worship a false God?

No, but in failing to recognize the Deity that is described in the old testament and revealed in the new testament, they do not worship God. They pay homage to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, but in failing to recognize the third person of the trinity as the promised Messiah and as Jehovah himself, they do not worship God.

In their failure to recognize the one true God and to call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I would have to say that they bow before idols. Any who reject Jesus as the Lord God Almighty and who claim to worship "God" are, in fact, worshiping idols.

I suspect that any Jew who rejects Jesus as God would say that by worshiping Jesus Christ, I am worshiping idols. At least one of us is wrong.

So it seems to me that kawaii would deny that Muslims worship the one true God.

Do you believe that Muslims worship "the one true God"? If so, please define "the one true God."

[Alamo-Girl]

angry iliterate west europeons of the 14th century perhaps?

Not at all.

We believe God. We trust Him.

[kawaii]

so where were they? were they the vandal hordes?

there is no archeological evidence for such Christians.

the folks who beleived in the interim even remotely as protestants do fall into two groups, heathens who rejected Christianity in their inherit barbarity, and gnostics who reject key princibles of Christianity (for instance by calling the old testament God evil and suggesting Christ revealed a different God entirely.).

[kawaii]

Do you believe that Muslims worship "the one true God"? If so, please define "the one true God."

I think Islam is the first ppularized heresy, and was inspired by Satan in an attempt to subvert worship of God for worship of himself, hence the vile selfish nature advocated by Islam.

[kawaii]

We believe God. We trust Him.

Then why do you feel he abandoned Christians for 1500 years?

[Alamo-Girl]

I do not feel that way nor have I said that, dear kawaii.

[GoLightly]

Then why do you feel he abandoned Christians for 1500 years?

Since you think Jews worship a different God, do you think God abandoned them or do you think they abandoned God?

[adiaireton8]

A8: The Jews do not subscribe to the Apostles or Nicene creeds either, so do you say that they worship a false God?

PM: No, but in failing to recognize the Deity that is described in the old testament and revealed in the new testament, they do not worship God.

If you deny that the worship "a false God" and affirm that "they do not worship God", then you must think they do not worship at all. Logic leaves you no other option.

They pay homage to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, but in failing to recognize the third person of the trinity as the promised Messiah and as Jehovah himself, they do not worship God.

Again, if you affirm that they "pay homage to the God of Abraham" and affirm that "they do not worship God", then you must think there is a difference between "paying homage" and "worshipping". What's that difference?

In their failure to recognize the one true God and to call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I would have to say that they bow before idols. Any who reject Jesus as the Lord God Almighty and who claim to worship "God" are, in fact, worshiping idols.

Above you denied that they "worship a false God". Here you affirm that they are "worshipping idols". It seems to me that "worshipping idols" would count as worshipping "a false God".

Do you believe that Muslims worship "the one true God"? If so, please define "the one true God."

I do believe that Muslims worship the one true God. I cannot provide a definition of God because I do not believe that God can be defined. God is the only uncaused Being, and the Creator of all things besides Himself.

-A8

[GoLightly]

Personally, I think God hardened their hearts.

[hosepipe]

[ sure thing, Christ lied, never sent a Holy Spirit, 1500 years of no church, and God selected poorly educated west europeons to save the world! ]

What a bizaar comment.