Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
What real certificate? Orly's motion says she has only "a color copy of a certain document."
FWIW, think nothing of it. We are all trying very hard to get to the truth of this crucial matter. Keep up the good fight.
Which number? Is it the one posted about 100 posts above?
Joe reads here with regularity.
“and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”
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Right. An important clause. But it says nothing about those slaves parents. Again the NBC for BO is a seperate issue. If Obama was born in HI, he’s a US citizen at birth (albeit perhaps he was a dual citizen.) But he may not be/have been a NBC. The SCOTUS needs to rule on that.
There’s a move afoot in CA and elsewhere though to challenge the citizen status of anchor babies. This might affect this debate in the future (of who’s a citizen at birth and who a ‘natural born citizen’ is.)
You are undoubtedly unaware that in 1964 immigration had a fairly rigid quota system, country based, as in not to exceed applicants from each country.
Further more, all legal aliens be they on student visas, work visa, or with permanent resident status, etc. had to register with the INS every January, listing residence, place of employment, occupation, marital status including children. Had you been an adult then you could not have missed the posters and forms in every post office, the TV and radio commercials and work place personnel managers checking on their foreign employees and reminding them to register with Immigration And Naturaliztion.
So to question the immigration status of the father and child would have been not only prudent but mandatory. That would include showing entry visas, passports which would have listed dependent children and their vital statistics. Given that the father was a foreign national the burden of proof of parenthood would on Stanley Ann’s shoulders.
The INS were not so careless back then in demanding bona fides.
It didn’t need to address the slave’s parents.
The authors of the ammendment definitely were addressing the parents of any future births. At that time, all minors were the property of their parents, and their legal status could not be ‘legal’ if their parents were not also legal.
IOW, visa or green card holders.
I am sorry Salamander, I saw the whole thing unfold but I didn’t realize yours was the one I copied to my computer. I pulled it as soon as it was brought to my attention.
For sure. Public opinion is important as well. It's one of the reason why the Barry supporters are in an all out effort to discredit anyone seeking the truth...and the release of many of his historical documents (i.e. not "just" the B.C.).
A key fact about Zanzibar is that it was the central point of entry for slaves in transit to the Arab states. I could understand why some of the Kenyans (even Muslims) might want to avoid affiliation with Zanzibar.
Sorry, I don’t have a ping list. I just try to respond to people who say stuff I think needs attention. Sometimes I tell others who were interested in the particular subject matter.
After looking them over carefully, I also notice that the plaid patterns are different, both in thread count, and in colors.
It's got a black background and an anomalous “tear”.
Probably won't show up because I deleted it from my server.
I’m starting to feel like Fox Mulder.....:-\
I noticed that too.
When I went to save the picture they said it was
#57 then #58.
I’m not computer savvy but how would we find 1-56?
Nah.
Might happen in a given courtroom before a particular judge who decided he needed to do it that way. But in most jurisdictions, court rule requires a birth certificate for all minor children--not likely to get a judge to back off, particularly in an ex parte case.
It was otherwise uploaded UNALTERED to the host site from which you're viewing it now. I know it has NOT been changed by the Obots online. And if it is LATER altered somehow by an Obot, I still have backups.
No, *I* am sorry.
LOL, thread count. Never thought to cross-check that!
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