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To: BuckeyeTexan

If it was a doctor-attended birth there would be no need for multiple documents for an original birth certificate. If the birth was reported by someone other than the mother or father there would be a need for supporting documents.

So when OIP Director Tsukiyama indicated that the denial of access to supplemental records offered as evidence to support the claims on the original or amended BC was a proper response, he was confirming that either the original BC was completed on the basis of testimony from someone besides doctor, father, or mother, OR the BC was amended at some point OR both.

Fukino’s use of the plural “records” is completely in line with what Tsukiyama confirmed through that UIPA appeal.

When OIP attorney Linden Joesting indicated that the denial of access to receipts and invoices for Obama amending his BC was a proper response, she confirmed that Obama paid a fee to amend his BC.

Neither attorney at the OIP needed Leo to tell them what is a proper response to UIPA. OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama wrote the UIPA manual which describes the process and Cathy Takase (one of the attorneys who responded to Terri K in this process) was the one who wrote OIP Opinion Letter 07-01, which describes how a Glomar response is to be used. Both of those documents were written before Terri K made her requests.

If it was just the DOH who was standing by their responses to Terri K I’d say you have a point. But OIP staff attorneys (including the Director) confirmed the accuracy and appropriateness of the responses in 2 different appeals. Both appeals were answered by official letters saying that the denial of access was the proper response.

IOW, the DOH was checked for accuracy in both of those cases and the people who have written the rules on how these responses must be made issued legal statements saying their rules were followed and the responses given were proper.


1,994 posted on 02/28/2010 9:43:51 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
If it was a doctor-attended birth there would be no need for multiple documents for an original birth certificate. If the birth was reported by someone other than the mother or father there would be a need for supporting documents.

Do we know for sure that the only documentation the hospital submits to the state is the signed birth certificate? I haven't seen any research on that. Back to my title clerk experience, which is a sore subject I know. We submitted a whole folder full of information with the title and tag paperwork. Maybe the hospital has to provide information that is not printed on the actual birth certificate but is supplemental and supportive in nature, such as license numbers or other such items. Just consider it. That's all I'm suggesting.

When OIP attorney Linden Joesting indicated that the denial of access to receipts and invoices for Obama amending his BC was a proper response, she confirmed that Obama paid a fee to amend his BC.

Do we know that the fee to which you're referring isn't the fee Obama paid to obtain the 2007 COLB posted online?

1,998 posted on 02/28/2010 10:11:19 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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