From what we do know of Ruth, she says she met him about a month before he left Boston to return to Kenya, she followed him a few weeks later, and they married on Christmas Eve, 1964.
Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
I just scanned 320 records. No one has a c circa against their date of birth, or in this case year of birth, except Nancy.
http://search.nndb.com/search/nndb.cgi?type=unspecified&query=brown
Where did you get her date of birth from?
Ping.
Check out # # 1539 through 1542.
Thanks, Brown Deer.
From what we do know of Ruth, she says she met him about a month before he left Boston to return to Kenya, she followed him a few weeks later, and they married on Christmas Eve, 1964.
You can’t allow yourself the luxury of a little irony or sacrcasm - you also have to allow for those who have no sense of humour.
On page 12 there is a reference to age of 27 and Ruth would have been 27 at that time.
She could have been 27, I don’t know her birth year...do you? She was a teacher, not a student.
Right. Born in 37, aged 27 in 1964. The other girl was from Kenya and she was a student.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to “blend” the two...LOL But my interest is that she, the student, Obama, Ruth, uncle, all lived very close to each other.
Give it up about Nancy, it was a joke, and so are you.
Ha Ha! You’re laugh a minute Fred.
Some kind of tropical plant and a shack - could be anywhere the sun shines and its warm enough to run around like that - WHERE it is isn't the issue really, it's WHO he is, the two photographs, one standing, one sitting, are useful to show who he is; he's the SAME boy as sitting on the left of the two little boys image, the one who Mark has identified as the mythical 'David'
So if that's zero, then there never was a David. And no one was killed in a motor cycle accident.
They all lived very close to each other, and so did Ella Collins who gave accommodation to numerous family members in her various boarding house properties...at one of which it’s quite feasable that the two boys were living, while the kenyan student was attending Harvard, and that might be where he was visting his son.
That statement he made to his associates at Harvard might have given rise to the assumption he had a wife in Cambridge.
It could also be polite-speak for the girl who may have been in his company in the early part of 1964, but I can’t see how she’s connected to Ruth or the two children in any way.
From the NYT obituary:
Ella Collins died Aug, 1996 at the age of 82. At the time of her death, she was survived by her son [mentioned below], three brothers, a sister, and two grandchildren.
She was the half-sister and surrogate mother (legal guardian) of Malcolm X during formative years (age 14-21). Malcolm X said of her, ‘’No physical move in my life has been more pivotal or profound in its repercussions.’’
Her husband, Kenneth Collins, “grew [up with] and attended the same school with Malcolm and his sibling in Lansing, Michigan.”
“In the 1950’s, Mrs. Collins was recruited by Malcolm X into the Nation of Islam, then called the Temple of Islam and often known as the Black Muslims...She broke away in 1959 [and] became an orthodox Sunni Muslim....”
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/06/us/ella-collins-82-relative-who-aided-malcolm-x.html
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Notes of interest from the Ella Collins Institute’s web page-—http://ellacollinsinstitute.org/about/ellacollins/
She moved from her birthplace in Georgia “to Harlem, New York where she became secretary to congressman Adam Clayton Powell.”
“At the event of Malcolm’s death [Feb 1965], Ella described that his assassins “took something from me, something I put a lot into.”After Malcolm’s death, Ella became president of the Organization of African American Unity [founded by MX in 1964] in the hope of bettering the human condition for all people in the United States.
Malcolm had also secured 35 scholarships from Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt and from the University of Ghana to send students of knowledge overseas. Ella took on this duty after his death and continued her investment and support of students seeking knowledge.”
Throughout Malcolm X’s life it was Ella who supported and defended him. It was Ella who gave [MX] and several others including her son Rodnell Collins [Yusuf A. Hamid], “carte blanche” for their Hajj to Mecca.
On top of being an excellent wife and mother, Ella was a self made business woman involved in real estate in Boston and New York City.
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Below is the entire biography on the Institute’s website, which was written by her son Rodnell
Ella Lee Little-Collins
4 December 1913 – 6 August 1996
Parents: Earl Little & Daisy Mason-Little
Grandparents: John (Big Pa 6’5”) Lee Little & Ella Gray-Little
Siblings: Earl Lee Jr, Mary, Wilfred, Philbert, Hilda, Reginald, Malcolm, Wesley, Evonne
Long before Malcolm X became a household name in American history, Ella Little-Collins was a self-made businesswoman, passionate civil rights activist and nurturing mentor to El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz.
From Butler, Georgia where she was born; to Harlem, New York where she became secretary to congressman Adam Clayton Powell; and to Boston, Massachusetts where she continued her extensive work on civil rights, Ella Little-Collins lived a life that is a compelling testament to faith, determination and the American dream.
Ella was born in Georgia in 1913. She completed most of her formal education at Fort Valley Institute, which is now the University of Georgia in Fort Valley. She accepted Islam in the mid 1950’s.
Ella and her husband Kenneth Jack Collins were the legal guardians of Malcolm X/ El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz from age 14-21 in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Kenneth Collins grew and attended the same school with Malcolm and his sibling in Lansing, Michigan.
Throughout Malcolm X’s life it was Ella who supported and defended him. It was Ella who gave and several others including her son Rodnell Collins, “carte blanche” for their Hajj to Mecca. On top of being an excellent wife and mother, Ella was a self made business woman involved in real estate in Boston and New York City.
Most important to Ella was family, extended family and community. As Malcolm mentions in his autobiography, Ella fought for human rights and social justice. She also collaborated with others who sought to better the human condition, among those others were: Adam Clayton Powell (Chairman of Committee for U.S. Dept of Health/Education &Welfare), activist Cesar Chavez and U.S. Presidential Candidate Shirley Chisholm.
Ella supported black and ethnic studies programs in universities all across the United States. She founded the Sarah A. Little School of Preparatory Arts in Boston
At the event of Malcolm’s death, Ella described that his assassins “took something from me, something I put a lot into.”After Malcolm’s death, Ella became president of the Organization of African American Unity in the hope of bettering the human condition for all people in the United States. Malcolm had also secured 35 scholarships from Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt and from the University of Ghana to send students of knowledge overseas. Ella took on this duty after his death and continued her investment and support of students seeking knowledge.
She tirelessly continued her struggle for civil rights until 1988, when she suffered the amputation of both her legs from gangrene infection.
Malcolm X’s faith in his sister Ella is perhaps best described in the words he spoke to his nephew Rodnell Collins, two weeks prior to his assassination, “Uncle Malcolm had called me aside one day while visiting us at home in Boston. Ma’ (Ella) was in the kitchen with her pots and pans and Uncle Malcolm sitting in my favorite lounge chair, and took my hand to express his concern for my future. With the press of his palm to mine, a stern look and a twinkle in his eyes he said, ‘Rodnell I want you to promise me something, you will always listen to your mother, I wish I had, if you do you’ll do alright Rodnell.’”
It was Ella, who upon Malcolm’s death, paid for all his funeral and business expenses and tried to carry on Malcolm’s good works. More woman than you will ever get and more man than I’ll ever be.
-Rodnell Collins, son
Yusuf A. Hamid
915 posted on Thursday, 2 May 2013 6:06:17 AM by thouworm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278969/posts?page=915#915
Link to cross posted comment.
Obama The African Colonial; background research.
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