Posted on 07/10/2015 2:27:37 PM PDT by Swordmaker
This has already been discredited, the points i made in post #118 are still valid. You are sewing lies, and misinformation.
Actually, I agree that the title is overbearing and farcical. The author writes a good article how he has found the watch useful, but there is nothing transformative about this tech’s effect on his life.
It’s a good, even glowing review, but what did the author point to that changed his life? I did not find that in the article.
Right just because you say so. Why isn’t Apple suing the many sites(some of which are news operations) that carry this “discredited” story? BTW Apple’s suppliers employ thousands of workers that are under 18 in their factories which is also illegal in the US.
Maybe Apple should sue you for retelling the lie??
Thank God you’re up there on the wall, protecting the disaffected workers of the world.
STOP calling me a liar when it is clear that you didn't even look at the links I provided. Stick to your preconceived notion at your peril.
Sticking you head in the sand is not going to make the fact that Apple made a deliberate choice to make obscene profits off the backs off teenage labor. Well proven fact. Your Apple products which you bought freely enriched the Chi-coms and were made, in part, by labor that would be illegal in the US.
Now who is the name caller? Don't call me a liar for the third time. If you feel the needs to respond do so with some FACTUAL information. http://www.thestreet.com/story/11718458/1/heres-how-much-apple-makes-per-iphone-5.html
That all you got is cheap sarcasm? Don’t want to debate the facts?
Sword maker has already posted the real story behind this. But you refuse to believe it.
Just like I stated in post #118, you come on here and post lies and nonsense .
No one cares.
In any major publication, which is what the EE Times is, the author of an article, especially one like this where, although he is an editor, is writing outside of his field of expertise and authority, seldom has any control what ever over the headline the head Editor puts on the top. This is always true in major newspapers when you get away from weeklies, unless the writer is a bylined columnist. They put headlines on articles to create clicks. I've seen headlines mentioning Apple for articles that only peripherally involve Apple. . . and sometimes the connection is a real stretch. This is probably no different, it's click bait. It has probably succeeded in doing exactly that.
I might be. . . I have been toying with the idea of repairing the Longines and putting it up for sale on eBay. Every so often I check the latest price on that model and keep seeing it going up and up. I paid around $500 back in 1968. I probably will sell the Invictas and the Seiko. . . but I've never checked to see how much they are worth on eBay, probably not much. Invictas are heavily discounted on Jewelry TV and the Seiko is an older model. My Stührling was a gift from my girlfriend and is precious to me for that reason.
Apple said 42% on the lower end models. . . and of course a lot higher on the gold models. I calculated there is only about $900 to $1100 worth of gold at max in the Gold watches. The markup on those is astronomical.
One of the things I need in a watch is a rotating bezel, so I'll probably end up getting a diver like the Submariner or something that works similarly. Though I'm not interested in taking it underwater, I've found it's useful when I'm out riding to be able to track how long I'm riding between stops, and a bezel with a time indicator seems to work pretty well for me. I recently checked out some Omegas that would pretty much fit my needs.
This quotation taken FROM the article YOU linked to shows your statement is ENTIRELY FALSE!
In 2013, it audited 451 different facilities in 16 countries, and found 23 people who had been hired when they were younger than 16. Eleven were still underage at the time of the audit. In all of its publicly available audits, from 2006 to 2013, the company has found 349 child laborers.What happens after they are found?
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Forty-two of them (under age workers Swordmaker) were found at a single facility in China that had partnered with a vocational school which forged hiring papers. You can see how it drove up the numbers in the chart above. Apple promptly stopped doing business with the company and reported it to the government.
The article says that there are over 1.5 million workers at these companies and there were a total of 349 under age workers discovered between 2008 and 2013. All of which were apparently using forged paperwork. WOW! What a problem. That is 0.00000233% of Apple's work force.
It is obvious you did not even bother to read that article. Notice that Apple stopped doing business with the contract company that had employed 42 underage workers. What it does NOT say is that company lost a $2 Billion contract because they violated their contract with Apple. Does that look like "Apple accepts it's suppliers working 16 year olds in a factory environment" that you claimed? Your statement was a bald lie. Apple does NOT, and your article boldly provides proof they do not and even shows they will even take costly steps to prevent it.
You anti-Apple haters will believe the MYTHS promulgated by the main stream media over the actual facts. Even your article got some of the facts wrong. . . claiming it was the suicides in 2010 that caused Apple to start doing this, but Apple had their program in place since 2003, when they first started doing business in China. Incidentally, not one of those suicides involved a worker on an Apple assembly line. . . they were working on Microsoft Xboxes, HP computers, Nokia phones, and Sony playstation, and the rate of suicide among all of FoxConn's 750,000 workers was a mere 0.25 workers were 100,000 per year. One eighth the rate of suicides among young people of the same ages in American Ivy League Universities in the same year. It was 1/4 the over all Chinese suicide rate for the same age cohort. The over all American suicide rate is 11 per 100,000 per year. WHAT were people complaining about except a created hyperbolic, manufactured FUD campaign against Apple. . . which ignored all sane facts.
When Apple finds an underage worker, their contract with the supplier requires the employer to offer that worker a full college and university education while still paying them until age 25. . . and they do not have to work while doing the education. Strangely only 34% of the underage workers accepts this great offer.
So YOU don't know what you are talking about and Apple does NOT accept any such thing. YOU hoist yourself on your own petard and provided your own evidence against your claim! Thank you for saving me the trouble of posting it. That is hilarious. Enough said.
From YOUR OWN linked article in Quartz:
There are more than 1.5 million workers making products for Apple, and some of them are children.
The company knows this, and it will tell you:In 2013, it audited 451 different facilities in 16 countries, and found 23 people who had been hired when they were younger than 16. Eleven were still underage at the time of the audit. In all of its publicly available audits, from 2006 to 2013, the company has found 349 child laborers.
OK, mad_ashe$$, that's the article you claim proves your claim that thousands of underage workers are making Apple products. Except your "thousands" turns into only 23 at time of hire and just 11 at time of audit. . . and 349 over seven years. Are you using Liberal math? Where are the rest of them???? Are they kept in dungeons? Chained to the walls? Whipped into cells where no one can find them? Forced to use "Looney Tunes" vanishing cream? What? Where are they?
Either produce them or admit you are WRONG, mad_as_he$$, since your own evidence you produced shows you are full of it. . . and overflowing. China is a modern country with very strong child labor laws, but you simply want it to be something different. People will, just like in the USA, try to find ways around those laws.
It is nice to run across journalists who have ethical standards left and know what to do with the facts when they find them.
Maybe next time you Google you should be more careful and find one of your preferred FUD articles that lies about this instead of one that actually researched the facts and published the TRUTH. LOL!
No - and don’t ping us. One more thing. It would be in your best interest to refrain from mentioning suing other FR members. We’ve banned people for that.
And finally, we’ve moved this to the backroom so your girls can have your catfights at will. We won’t intervene.
No - and dont ping us. One more thing. It would be in your best interest to refrain from mentioning suing other FR members. Weve banned people for that.
And finally, weve moved this to the backroom so you girls can have your catfights at will. We wont intervene.
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