Posted on 01/20/2016 5:03:47 AM PST by Kaslin
Last July, Anthony Hervey, an outspoken black advocate for the Confederate flag, was killed in a car crash. Arlene Barnum, a surviving passenger in the vehicle, told authorities and the media that they had been forced off the road by a carload of "angry young black men" after Hervey, while wearing his Confederate kepi, stopped at a convenience store en route to his home in Oxford, Mississippi. His death was in no small part caused by the gross level of ignorance, organized deceit and anger about the War of 1861. Much of the ignorance stems from the fact that most Americans believe the war was initiated to free slaves, when in truth, freeing slaves was little more than an afterthought. I want to lay out a few quotations and ask what you make of them.
During the "Civil War," ex-slave Frederick Douglass observed, "There are at the present moment many colored men in the Confederate army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops, and do all that soldiers may to destroy the Federal Government and build up that of the traitors and rebels" (Douglass' Monthly, September 1861).
"For more than two years, negroes had been extensively employed in belligerent operations by the Confederacy. They had been embodied and drilled as Rebel soldiers, and had paraded with White troops at a time when this would not have been tolerated in the armies of the Union." (Horace Greeley, in his book, "The American Conflict").
"Over 3,000 negroes must be included in this number (of Confederate troops). These were clad in all kinds of uniforms, not only in cast-off or captured United States uniforms, but in coats with Southern buttons, State buttons, etc. These were shabby, but not shabbier or seedier than those worn by white men in rebel ranks. Most of the negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabres, bowie-knives, dirks, etc. They were supplied, in many instances, with knapsacks, haversacks, canteens, etc., and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederacy Army. They were seen riding on horses and mules, driving wagons, riding on caissons, in ambulances, with the staff of Generals, and promiscuously mixed up with all the rebel horde" (report by Dr. Lewis H. Steiner, chief inspector of the U.S. Sanitary Commission).
In April 1861, a Petersburg, Virginia, newspaper proposed "three cheers for the patriotic free Negroes of Lynchburg" after 70 blacks offered "to act in whatever capacity" had been "assigned to them" in defense of Virginia.
Those are but a few examples of the important role that blacks served as soldiers, freemen and slaves on the side of the Confederacy. The flap over the Confederate flag is not quite so simple as the nation's race "experts" make it. They want us to believe the flag is a symbol of racism. Yes, racists have used the Confederate flag as their symbol, but racists have also marched behind the U.S. flag and have used the Bible. Would anyone suggest banning the U.S. flag from state buildings and references to the Bible?
Black civil rights activists, their white liberal supporters and historically ignorant Americans who attack the Confederate flag have committed a deep, despicable dishonor to our patriotic Southern black ancestors who marched, fought and died not to protect slavery but to protect their homeland from Northern aggression. They don't deserve the dishonor. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a black professor at Southern University, stated, "When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."
Surrender implies the USA ceasing to exist and turning itself over to the CSA. That is ridiculous. Vacating brick pile in the middle of the Cooper River is hardly the USA surrendering.
I think that you are underestimating the significance of the Flag flying above that brick pile. The eyes of the nation were on that flag and both Lincoln and Davis felt the pressure. When northerners saw the physical condition of that very flag, after it was lowered by Major Anderson, when he was forced to surrender that brick pile to the “Confederacy”, they united behind Lincoln. And then four years later, Anderson raised that flag back above Fort Sumter.
It's a well know fact that you False Causers are congenital liars. Peace and quiet? Let's just take a look at how peaceful and quiet you've been:
Stuffing things up your keester might float your boat but it don't float mine.
Does this asshole think were all a bunch of limp-wristed liberal faggots up North here?
My ancestors fought in The Army Of The Potomac. F**k you "Professor" Kotsko.
Didn't go far in school did you?
No little girl , I don't. You're not an American.
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One dead for each brick.
Of course they did demand 100% abject surrender: of the United States as it existed in 1860, of all Federal properties within reach of secessionists, of such Border Union states as refused to vote for secession (i.e., Missouri), and of any Constitutional process implying "mutual consent" for secession.
Such demands were rejected by both outgoing President Buchanan and incoming President Lincoln.
You sound like David Puddy stammering around after he was called stupid.
The CSA was a separatist movement not a conquering nation hell bent on subduing the USA. What a crock. You are really twisted.
Indeed. The lengths these False Causers go to is incredible.
The CSA leadership knew the USA leadership quite well. The CSA knew disHonest Abe was a radical and what his agenda was and leaving Sumter in the hands of the yankees would have effectively closed off the port.
The bottom line is, the CSA had just as much claims on federal installations as the north did, even more so since we paid for them.
The fort was unmanned and unfinished until it became of interest in 1860.
Sorry, but you have it all wrong.
In early 1861, the CSA was indeed hell bent on subduing the USA -- splitting it apart, taking border states & territories at will, seizing Federal properties, threatening government officials, firing on Union ships.
For example, Confederates' assault on Fort Sumter was as much an act of war as was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
But in case there was any doubt, the Confederacy soon formally declared war and increased its army from 100,000 to 500,000.
This at a time when the US Army still totaled around 17,000.
So there is no doubt -- none, nada -- in 1861 the Confederacy was a "hell bent" existential threat which President Lincoln was duty-bound to oppose and defeat.
It's that simple.
Sad but true!
Your twisted logic exemplifies the problem in 1860 with dealing with insane madmen of the North. The only way to settle the dispute is on a battlefield. Your type leaves no other alternative.
Actually the confederates considered it an act of aggression and bad faith that the US government sent ships to resupply and re-arm the fort after the fed gov kept intimating to the confederacy that the fort would be returned to the state of South Carolina. Rather than be caught with both a foreign fleet and a hostile fort in their harbor, they acted before the fleet could get to the fort. But they did wait until the last minute when the fleet was nearby. They weren’t eager for this fight. And ever after Fort Sumter they didn’t consider themselves at war with the US. They didn’t declare war on the US until several weeks after Lincoln called for troops to subdue them.
Damn, BrokeBack! You must be smoking some of that real good stuff today:
Amen, brother!
One way or another, a big fight was inevitable. The powder keg going off was a foregone conclusion. Did the Confederacy plan to build a wall? Did they plan to trade with the North for escaped slaves? Have you thought through the problems that might arise with the two nations living side by side? Yeah, it took four years and a lot of bloodshed, but the War did settle the matter. The Confederacy was destined for disaster. Imagine, as a free black population grew in the North, while the “Confederacy” was founded upon the black being inferior.
It’s a bloodthirsty lot up there.
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