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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: Chad Fairbanks; Jim Robinson
We must take back the Senate and hold the House now and in two years when we also reelect Bush.

The Supreme Court hangs in the balance and if the WH and either body goes into Dem hands, we might as well kiss off the next 50 years.

That is the reality of the situation and that is what is so destructive in the attitude of the unappeasables.

They will never believe they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces until the blood is dripping from their chins........and even then some would deny it.

2,001 posted on 09/07/2002 1:25:16 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Roscoe; one_particular_harbour
Invention my ass you piece of sh#t.

How many years did you work the street as a cop? I worked over 7

How many years did you spend in law school? I spent 3.

How many years have you worked as an attorney? I've spent over 3.

How many criminal cases have you tried? I've lost count how many I've tried.

I've continually offered my opinion - and since it doesn't jive with your screwed up view of the world and you don't have the education, training or experience to refute my points you resort to personal attacks.

Grow up jack@ss.

OPH...here's another example.

2,002 posted on 09/07/2002 1:27:53 PM PDT by Abundy
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To: dubyagee
This is my final entry. It is, really, I swear. And I'm gonna get the countdown right this time too!

TOP 10 REASONS I'M STILL A HAPPY FREEPER...

10. The 'old timers' don't intimidate me anymore.

9. I learn more big words here than I do at Pogo playin' 'Word Whomp.'

8. It beats watchin' Rocky movies with my husband.

7. Sometimes I just wanna be where everybody knows my [screen] name.

6. I haven't yet developed 'unhappy freeper syndrome.'

5.I've learned so much that I feel cleaning dust bunnies is beneath me.

4. I have a mental 'ignore' button.

3. I know I'm right, I don't care what anybody else thinks.

2. I don't think Jimrob owes me anything.

and the number 1 reason I'm still a happy freeper is...

I could never hope to meet a more intelligent, eclectic, colorful group of people and with common sense to boot, than I've run across on FR!

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I dropped you off my hit list!

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2,003 posted on 09/07/2002 1:28:42 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
No argument here from me... although, to be honest my wife is a little perturbed with me that my twelve year old has the habit of using the word "Democraps" now... like it's MY fault LOL...

Note: I'm not being paid to shill for the RNC, I do it for free... ;0)

2,004 posted on 09/07/2002 1:29:40 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Pretty cool how that was the 2004 post... sort of a sign of things to come, one hopes ;0)
2,005 posted on 09/07/2002 1:31:27 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: f.Christian
I dropped you off my hit list!

Thank you. I feel safe again. 8 * )

2,006 posted on 09/07/2002 1:31:59 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: Abundy
Oh, and while that is occurring in the public view, behind the scenes Law Enforcement is admitting they screwed up by entering forcefully without a warrant, as well as making other mistakes in the investigation with respect to Constitutional Rights of Zito. They are implementing changes that address their errors. Privately they are worried that the conviction will be overturned on appeal due to those errors.

Invention. Unsourced, of course.

2,007 posted on 09/07/2002 1:32:02 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Chad Fairbanks
No argument here from me... although, to be honest my wife is a little perturbed with me that my twelve year old has the habit of using the word "Democraps" now

This reminds me of the period after Bush was elected. We all realized that our oldest granddaughter (7 at the time) had only known of a president that we spoke horribly about.

We had to retrain her make sure she understood the dignity of the office and that now we had a dignified man sitting there.

2,008 posted on 09/07/2002 1:34:34 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Chad Fairbanks
No argument here from me... although, to be honest my wife is a little perturbed with me that my twelve year old has the habit of using the word "Democraps" now... like it's MY fault LOL...

ROTFL!

2,009 posted on 09/07/2002 1:37:31 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Roscoe; one_particular_harbour
Screw you and your sources. After Fufkin threatened to contact my employer do you think I'm going to let you di#kweeds know who I am?

Answer my questions with respect to YOUR experience, education and training to offer any opinion on police procedures, criminal law and the Constitution....come on...demonstrate to the forum just how informed you are, you worthless troll.

2,010 posted on 09/07/2002 1:38:20 PM PDT by Abundy
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
LOL... Well, with mine it started a few days ago, when totally out of the blue, my daughter said to my wife, "Mom. I really hate Democraps."

Of course, the new school year just started, so maybe she came up with it herself... ;0)

2,011 posted on 09/07/2002 1:38:56 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Of course, the new school year just started, so maybe she came up with it herself... ;0)

ROTFLOL.......

2,013 posted on 09/07/2002 1:44:09 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Mudboy Slim
YEP! and he's also so very WRONG!

sherman was a WAR CRIMINAL, nothing more, nothing less.

free dixie,sw

2,014 posted on 09/07/2002 1:45:28 PM PDT by stand watie
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To: B. A. Conservative
VOTE REPUBLICAN NOV. 5, 2002
Take back the Senate


2,015 posted on 09/07/2002 1:50:18 PM PDT by deport
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To: Roscoe
We know what you are.

Who's we? Are you part of some super secret squad at FR?

Still waiting for you to proffer you experience, training and education that provides you with a basis to make in informed critique of the police conduct in the Zito shooting. Or in any police shooting for that matter.

Thanks in advance for your reasoned reply, devoid of personal attacks and thinly veiled insults.

2,016 posted on 09/07/2002 1:52:43 PM PDT by Abundy
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To: Mudboy Slim
afternoon bump!
2,017 posted on 09/07/2002 1:58:58 PM PDT by goldilucky
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To: FreeTheHostages
The top ten reasons I am still a Happy FReeper:

10. It's almost 5:00PM Eastern and this spam post will stop consuming bandwith then;

9. Clive sends me the latest on Rhodesia/Zimbabwe every quarter hour or so;

8. I got to hit "Abuse" for the first time ever day before yesterday;

7. Where else in the world could a nice feller like me go to be mortally offended and deeply wounded on a regular basis by the insults of those who really like him?

6. I'd better hurry 'cause it's 5 to 5 and I type really slowly;

5. There is simply not another forum on Earth upon which so many like minds can come together in our endeavour to save Human Civilization -- Good -- FRom those tangible manifestations of the forces of Evil that would destroy it;

4. Noone else has offered me such a prize as that offered here for doing so little to please him -- um -- her; [?]

3. JohnHuang2, Pokey78, MeeknMing; SaberTooth et al send me stuff that makes me cry;

2. Some of the folks in [7] above have become closer FRiends to me and more valuable than my very own siblings and;

1. It's 5:00PM Eastern Time and I think I just made it?
2,018 posted on 09/07/2002 2:02:02 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Abundy
informed critique

Self-serving invention. Sourceless, meritless.

2,019 posted on 09/07/2002 2:08:13 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Abundy
OPH...here's another example.
... of Do As I Say, Not As I Do.
2,020 posted on 09/07/2002 2:18:40 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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