Cobb (County, GA) dads enter fray over evolution in schools

Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 9.8.02 | MARY MacDONALD

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

At least you admit that your belief in God is based on counting noses rather than faith and logic isn't important.

I did no such thing. I pointed out that, FR being a political forum, supporting the ideals of our democratic republic, decisions as to the direction of the government depend on political support. If you are against a republican form of government, fine, but wouldn't that mean that you are in the wrong place?

[Aric2000]

Have you studied the birth process? It's evolution in action. Oh that's right, you don't look at that stuff, it might make you question your beliefs. I keep forgetting.

And no, I happen to believe that abortion is wrong, but since I came to that conclusion on my own without Christianity as my base, I therefore must be wrong about that too, HUH? Religious fanatics are such a difficult bunch to get through to sometimes, even when we agree.

[nmh]

"Well, since Darwin's Theory of Evolution is just that, a theory - don't you have to have faith in that as well?"

Evolution is a religion. It's a godless one but nonetheless its followers have their "faith" in vain philosophy of other atheists.

Since no one here witnessed creation, it does require "faith" to believe in a theory whether it be Creaton or evolution. Since evolution has NO evidence to back it up, and God says otherwise, I couldn't possible buy into God being an ape (created in His image) and since there are NO fossils or otherwise showing "transitional forms" from ape to mankind, I'd say believing in evolution takes a leap of faith not possible for those who aren't simple minded aetheists.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Lie and lie and lie, and pretty soon people will believe it is the truth.

This may represent your ideal, but it is not that of FR. Your attempt to impose your fanatical superstitions on the children of this country, in order to corrupt them, and make pedophilia easier to accomplish, has been rejected by our nation's people, as are all other such fascistic ideas.

[f.Christian]

To: Dimensio
As I see it, evolution is an ideological doctrine. If it were only a "scientific theory", it would have died a natural death 50 - 70 years ago; the evidence against it is too overwhelming and has been all along. The people defending it are doing so because they do not like the alternatives to an atheistic basis for science and do not like the logical implications of abandoning their atheistic paradigm and, in conducting themselves that way, they have achieved a degree of immunity to what most people call logic.

488 posted on 7/29/02 5:18 AM Pacific by medved

Main Entry: log·ic

Pronunciation: 'lä-jik
Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English logik, from Middle French logique, from Latin logica, from Greek logikE, from feminine of logikos of reason, from logos reason -- more at LEGEND

Date: 12th century

1 a

(1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning

(2) : a branch or variety of logic

(3) : a branch of semiotic; especially : SYNTACTICS

(4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge

b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty

(2) : RELEVANCE, PROPRIETY

c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable

d : the arrangement of circuit elements (as in a computer) needed for computation; also : the circuits themselves

2 : something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason < the logic of war >

- lo·gi·cian /lO-'ji-sh&n/ noun

[f.Christian]

Note the number of articles posted here on FR on new findings in biology that bolster evolution.

A blatant lie. I have been asking you and your fellow evolutionists for a single (1) example of a major biological discovery favoring evolution for months. None of you folks has been able to give such an example the reason is because.



EVOLUTION IS PSEUDOSCIENCE FOR MORONS


150 posted on 8/23/02 7:08 PM Pacific by gore3000

[diode]

Well said. I would add that evolution is in essence a forensic science, and will by its nature always be a speculative. Evolution is a scholastic endeavor where creative (pun intended) minds attempt to reconstruct past, unrepeatable singularities. These singularities, such as much of the fossil record, are indeed facts. However, like all facts, they are subject to interpretation unless they can be repeated and verified to the satisfaction of all would-be skeptics. The proponants of the theory of evolution cannot do this. Unfortunately, they insist that only their interpretation of these past events be included in the classroom, compounding the problem with their unwillingness to include an accounting of the many holes and inconsistencies in the theory of evolution. Surely, a thorough text can be produced which could address these issues without doing violence to science or religion.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Any attempt that Arric2000 might say about diversity within the scientific community is a fraud. There are a lot of theories out there from well-esablished people who are shunned because the theories don't fit the norm.

When I was in high school there were two ideas in the scientific community on continental evolution. One was that the continents had always been exactly where they were, undergoing little change over hundreds of millions of years. This was the accepted theory. They other theory was that of 'Continental Drift', that the continents had originally been one, and divided and grew apart over time. It had been theorized, because so many continental outlines seemed to fit together (especially South America and Africa). It was not accepted, because of the obvious fact that rock is solid, and would be fractured apart if moved.

Then in the late 1950's the ocean bottoms were researched as never before, especially in the International Geophysical Year of 1958. They discovered the ridges in the Ocean which fit exactly between the continents. The theory of plate techtonics was devised, explaining how the continents could move. Animal evolution, with continuous species across apparent Ocean boundaries provided more evidence. Now everyone accepts continental drift. EXCEPT the survivors from science before that time. They do not accept continental drift. They will not, until they die. This is the way science actually changes.

[diode]

Forgive me for not understanding you, but at the risk of upsetting my faith, what did you mean about the birth process?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Religious fanatics are such a difficult bunch to get through to sometimes

Yes you are.

[Tennessee_Bob]

Aric,

You're the one who is getting overwrought and emotional. You said they shouldn't teach fantasy in school. I took it a step further adn listed just a couple of the fantasy items they use in schools these days.. I've yet to type anything in all caps, or even use exclamation marks for that matter.

Still sticking in your craw, isn't it?

[Aric2000]

Sorry there Lucius, but you are the religious fanatic, you ARE trying to force your NONSCIENTIFIC mythical beliefs on me. If you want to teach your children that mythology is fact, BE MY GUEST, but in public school forget about it.

Religion has no place in public school.

Send your children to private school or teach them your mythology at home, but do not FORCE it down my childrens throat. It is my choice, NOT yours....]

Arrogant fanatical christian airheads, that's all I have to say on this whole thing.

The truth is ALL around you, hitting you upside the head with it is not going to make a difference.

The bible belongs in church, not PUBLIC school, end of story, end of debate. I am through talking to fanatics such as yourselves. You sicken me with your closemindedness. No wonder science tok so long to come back after the dark ages, dark ages caused by fanatics such as yourselves.

[f.Christian]

Macro evolution is fantasy...

micro evolution is manipulating/fabricating(re-wording/working)---reality/science(creation)!

[Tennessee_Bob]

If I can quote something you said earlier:

You do not agree with what I say, but have no way to refute it, therefore you call me names.

That is a liberal tactic, are you therefore a liberal? I thought not, but your arguments are getting to the point of fanatascism, which is sad, very sad.

Ok - so, in post 72, you said the following:

"Arrogant fanatical christian airheads, that's all I have to say on this whole thing."

I am through talking to fanatics such as yourselves.

So since you're doing the name calling and the shouting, what position does that put you in? Are you a liberal as well?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I am through talking to fanatics such as yourselves. You sicken me with your closemindedness.

Good riddance, Osama!

[diode]

What a rant (see post to you #72 from Aric2000). Since he will not answer my question, I can only assume he is referring to Haeckel's recapitulation model of embyologic development. This was a fraudulent peice of work, debunked years ago and yet still appears in many modern texts. It is still used to "prove" evolutionary theory to unsuspecting minds, such as public school students.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

You sicken me with your closemindedness

Yes, I am closeminded to evildoers. President Bush has shown us how to deal with them.

Have you all noticed we are now in The Smokey Backroom?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

What is particularly amusing about our friend is that, while claiming all the scientific certainty that the Nazis and the Communists did, he is barely literate.

[f.Christian]

cough-cough...bump-in-the-night---evo slime-hole/pit!!

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

The bible belongs in church, not PUBLIC school, end of story, end of debate.

Actually, if we must have public schools, they should teach nothing but the Bible, up until students pass a comprehensive examination in the subject, at which point they can pass on to lesser subjects. After all, the Bible is the foundation document of our civilization.