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Has ANYONE ever been imprisoned for smoking pot?
09/21/02 | Libloather

Posted on 09/21/2002 5:49:50 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: Cultural Jihad; tpaine
tpaine didn't make any claim about imprisonment for smoking pot in the page you linked.
101 posted on 09/21/2002 7:41:55 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Oberon
...we'll let your eventual mastery of subject-verb agreement be your private little triumph.

How cool is THAT? In the mean time, do you have an answer to the question starting the thread - Has ANYONE ever been imprisoned for smoking pot?

If you have no answer, the rest of the world-wide-web will understand. Good day...

103 posted on 09/21/2002 7:45:30 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Cultural Jihad; realpatriot71
realpatriot71 didn't claim any imprisonment for smoking pot in the page you linked.
104 posted on 09/21/2002 7:46:46 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Libloather
About 40,000 are incarcerated for marijuana each year, at a cost of around 23,500 per year per person. I'll provide links later. I found that out myself a couple days ago.
105 posted on 09/21/2002 7:51:47 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Zon; KDD
You two goobers have an open forum and fail to show up? Kinda lame - no?
106 posted on 09/21/2002 7:53:37 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Here's how it works: A guy smokes pot and then robs a convenience store -- voila!-- he becomes one of hundreds-of-thousands who are in prison because they smoked pot.
107 posted on 09/21/2002 7:53:57 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Libloather
After being imprisoned they usually get worse from my experience with my brother and his friends.
108 posted on 09/21/2002 7:54:10 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Libloather
Has ANYONE ever been imprisoned for smoking pot?

FYI. In the 80s and early 90s thousands of parolees in CA were sent back to prison for dirty drug tests, positive for mj. Takes a lot morenow.

109 posted on 09/21/2002 7:55:29 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Texasforever
That's fine though, we'd still save 20 billion or more a year (counting money sent over seas for it) cutting it off federal. But I'm pretty sure that any law that made marijuana possession like that of 1st degree murder would be struct down as cruel and unusual.
110 posted on 09/21/2002 7:55:47 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Trailerpark Badass
"BJS officials also estimated that 42% of state "marijuana only" prisoners and 23% of federal "marijuana only" prisoners were incarcerated for possession, not "trafficking."[7] ("Trafficking" includes "possession with intent to distribute.") Applied to the previously calculated estimates, as adjusted for the June 1998 prisoner counts, there would be 7,400 state prisoners and 2,300 federal prisoners incarcerated for marijuana possession only, for a total of 9,700 prisoners."

You forgot the disclaimer - the above information you found with your nifty google search comes from the "Marijuana Policy Project", an "I want my whacky weed" support project. Since the stat selections and the "math" was done by the "MPP" (whether any toking was going on during said calcuations will be left unexplored), it may be best to ignore MPP propaganda and go to more credible sources. For example, for some credible information on drug use and crime, see:

Drug use and crime

Doing a Google search involves more than finding a site that has the "view" you want, it involves finding credible sources. Its pretty easy to find a given fruitcake site on the Web to "prove" nonsense.

111 posted on 09/21/2002 7:56:18 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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To: Libloather
WE BROKE THE CODE!

HINTS:

Answering a question with another question is noted in mental logic of young children.

Purported queries are often simple riddles.

Thus, the answer is "probably", simply the word "probably". Statistically impossible to disprove given the large number of human lives on this earth, living and dead.

LL rejoinder, another question, is answered "you've asked a serious question of professionals...billing is $110 per hour..get your parents permission."

Either LL is having a ball on the family computer while the parents are out for the evening, or LL has wired an Etch-A-Sketch to the internet.

Have fun! We're going back to bridge and the fireplace and darn good merlot!

M and friends!

112 posted on 09/21/2002 7:57:16 PM PDT by AzJP
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To: Libloather
are you stupid? In order to smoke it you have to hold it therefore possess it. In the last fifteen years I doubt if many have done time for it. But in the sixties and even the seventies several states had life terms for using and /or possessing.
114 posted on 09/21/2002 7:58:53 PM PDT by willyone
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To: rb22982
That's fine though, we'd still save 20 billion or more a year (counting money sent over seas for it) cutting it off federal. But I'm pretty sure that any law that made marijuana possession like that of 1st degree murder would be struct down as cruel and unusual.

The fact is that the poster was passing on an urbane legend. In the 70's Teaxs law could get you hard time in the cotton patch but not for a damn seed and no one went up for more than 5 years for possession.

115 posted on 09/21/2002 7:59:04 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: breakem
In the 80s and early 90s thousands of parolees in CA were sent back to prison for dirty drug tests, positive for mj.

That's close but still doesn't answer the question. Please, try again...

116 posted on 09/21/2002 7:59:23 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
The answer is "Yes".

Did you get through 2nd grade? Smoking is the verb. Pot is the noun. A noun is a person, place or thing. In this case, a "thing". The charge is "Possession of a controlled substance". This "thing" (pot) is a controlled substance. When you go to court, the cop must have physical evidence, the "thing". Without it he has no case. duh?

Let me explain it to you like you were (are?) a 5 year old. In order to throw(verb) a ball(noun), you must have a ball. In order to ride(verb) a bike(noun), you must have a bike. The verb is the operator, the noun is the operand.

This is the syntax of a logical operation. Debating it is just childish to anybody who speaks the english language.

To reiterate, people are inprisioned for "possession" of pot. They are inprisoned for the noun, not the verb. Indeed thay can also inprisioned for culitvation (a verb) and for distrubution (a verb).

What really is you point? Your argument might just as well be "has anyone been imprisioned for killing(verb) a man(noun)". Killing is not illegal (like squashing a bug), but killing a man could be. I don't have a dog in this pot/liberteen fight.

117 posted on 09/21/2002 8:00:51 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Texasforever
You are right, I was just talking about federal vs state laws against drugs.
118 posted on 09/21/2002 8:03:02 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Libloather
That's the info I have. I am well aware of the difference between parole violation and initial sentence. I can assure you it feels the same to the individual going back.

In the 60s and 70s Playboy had a legal fund and used it to provide defense and appeals to some folks who were imprisioned for posession and use. Do your own homework, it's your topic.

119 posted on 09/21/2002 8:04:39 PM PDT by breakem
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To: AzJP
Answering a question with another question is noted in mental logic of young children.

Answering the question with an answer would help greatly.

The question is - Has ANYONE ever been imprisoned for smoking pot?

Got an answer?

120 posted on 09/21/2002 8:04:56 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: rb22982
You are right, I was just talking about federal vs state laws against drugs.

Do you actually think the Feds are busting people for possession?

121 posted on 09/21/2002 8:07:00 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Cultural Jihad
CJ, I'm not sure I ever made a "people go to prison for smoking pot" claim. In fact, if you'll look farther along in the thread you'll see that I "stood corrected". Smoking a joint in your house will get you a fine, if caught. My position is that it shouldn't even be a finable offense.

unless you were only asking for rational, credible sources

I thought we were trying to play nice. I guess not.

122 posted on 09/21/2002 8:08:02 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: Libloather
I'll play.

The answer is

PROBABLY

Chuck

123 posted on 09/21/2002 8:08:33 PM PDT by AzJP
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To: CapandBall
The answer is "Yes".

Please name ONE person sentenced for smoking pot.

Just one.

Please?

124 posted on 09/21/2002 8:08:56 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: secretagent
Thank you for clearing that up. You can read the entire thread and never see that claim made, at least not by me.
125 posted on 09/21/2002 8:09:33 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: Texasforever
I know they've gone into the medical marijuana places in Kalifornia and arrested for position. The LP gov candidate a couple years ago was.
126 posted on 09/21/2002 8:10:51 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: AzJP
The answer is PROBABLY...

You're wrong. Care to play again?

127 posted on 09/21/2002 8:10:56 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Why do you think you're entitled to a second question?
128 posted on 09/21/2002 8:12:54 PM PDT by AzJP
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To: rb22982
The LP gov candidate a couple years ago was.

False. Kubby was sentenced for psilocybin and mescaline.

129 posted on 09/21/2002 8:14:50 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: rb22982; Oberon
...arrested for position.

That could get sticky - no?

(Oberon - where are you?)

130 posted on 09/21/2002 8:15:25 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Wait...let me get this straight. You're seriously suggesting that because people get imprisoned for possession rather than for the act of smoking pot, smoking pot is therefore technically legal?

By the same standard, nobody has ever been imprisoned for shooting someone. Murder, yes; attempted murder, yes; aggravated assault, yes; shooting, no. Nobody's ever been charged with that.

131 posted on 09/21/2002 8:15:41 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Libloather
On one is sentenced for smoking. None, not a single ONE, never.

They are sentenced for possession, cultivation, and distribution of pot.

Who claimed anyone was sentenced for just smoking?

132 posted on 09/21/2002 8:16:00 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Libloather; KDD

You two goobers have an open forum and fail to show up? Kinda lame - no?

Earth to Libloather...

Apparently you have the memory span of a gnat. I showed up long ago and made several posts. Two of those posts were to you. Once again you have digressed to calling people names.

134 posted on 09/21/2002 8:17:06 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Ed B.
Me: A guy smokes pot and then robs a convenience store -- >voila!-- he becomes one of hundreds-of-thousands who are >in prison because they smoked pot.

You: I don't know about that, but it's a safe bet that many of these robberies are done because of a need to get money for hard (expensive) drugs. ie: Cocaine, Heroin.

Oh, of course. Nobody would ever rob or kill for marijuana. Huh-uh. Never happens. Wouldn't be prudent. Uhhhh, just curious. What constitutes a "safe bet"?

You: Not many people kill or rob solely to buy a cheap bag of marijuana, or a case of beer.

Oh? "Not many", eh? Is "not many" a sister of a "safe bet"?

You: With hard drugs, they do it all the time. But you know that, right?

Of course I do. I'm Texas Eagle.

135 posted on 09/21/2002 8:17:39 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: AzJP
Why do you think you're entitled to a second question?

Not searching for a second question. The question remains the same. Your answer sucked. Care to try another?

136 posted on 09/21/2002 8:17:56 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: AzJP

Either LL is having a ball on the family computer while the parents are out for the evening, or LL has wired an Etch-A-Sketch to the internet.

See post #134

138 posted on 09/21/2002 8:20:24 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Libloather
"Care to try another?" is a third question. If you know so many are incorrect answers, what is the correct answer? Do you know? Why not tell?
139 posted on 09/21/2002 8:20:33 PM PDT by AzJP
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To: Libloather
LOL! You sure poked a touchy libertarian nerve. The pro-potters use this "prison for a mere seed" scenario like the democraps use starving children on the GOP. And just about as truthfully. The answer to your question is obviously "no" even though the dopers just can't seem to admit it.

Revealing thread...very interesting!
140 posted on 09/21/2002 8:21:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Ed B.
So you take a statistic from a column by Molly Ivans and post it with a straight face? LOL
141 posted on 09/21/2002 8:21:47 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Ed B.
...there are at least 5,000 people in Texas prisons for marijuana possession alone.

Keep diggin'! Thars bound to be gold in them thar hills, somewhere!

(You know you'll still be wrong - no?)

142 posted on 09/21/2002 8:21:50 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Texasforever
"Only 1.3% of federal prisoners are in prison for drug possession charges (average pot possession is 105 pounds)"

http://www.amherst.ny.us/police/narcotics.htm
143 posted on 09/21/2002 8:24:44 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: AzJP

Why do you think you're entitled to a second question?

ROTFL!!! BRAVO

ROTFLMAO!!!! BRAVO my good man.

145 posted on 09/21/2002 8:25:44 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Ed B.
Oops. Only 5000 are incarcerated in Texas for possession of marijuana. My bad.

Yet no stats on the question in question? Your bad again - eh?

146 posted on 09/21/2002 8:26:10 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
As far as anyone can tell, not ONE person has been placed behind bars for smoking pot.

Ever heard of Robert Mitchum,the movie actor?

147 posted on 09/21/2002 8:26:24 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Kevin Curry
In the Marxist paradise, the state will wither away

Contradiction in terms, no?

148 posted on 09/21/2002 8:27:41 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: Ed B.
Misdemeanors
Class A Fine not to exceed $4,000 and/or 1 year or less
Class B Fine not to exceed $2,000 and/or 180 days or less
Class C Fine not to exceed $500

You do not go to prison for misdemeanor offences in Texas. All Pot possession offences in Texas are misdemeanors. So you may want to check your sources a bit closer.

149 posted on 09/21/2002 8:27:42 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: CapandBall
Who claimed anyone was sentenced for just smoking?

It seems it would be very hard to smoke it without possessing it...but I guess Libloather's figured out a way.

It reminds me of one of my college professors in the early 70's when MOST classes allowed you to smoke.

He said. "Sure you can smoke....as long as you don't exhale".

His remark was clever and funny...
I haven't figured out what Libloather is.

150 posted on 09/21/2002 8:27:47 PM PDT by eddie willers
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