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Marijuana possession: 15 grams, $100 fine
The Ottawa Citizen (Canada) ^ | May 13, 2003 | Janice Tibbetts

Posted on 05/13/2003 10:10:14 AM PDT by MrLeRoy

The federal government is considering fining small-time marijuana users as little as $100 under decriminalization legislation that is expected to be introduced Thursday.

Sources say the amount, equivalent to a low-level speeding ticket, was still under discussion yesterday as Justice Department officials scrambled to put the finishing touches on their bill. The fine would be handed to people caught with less than 15 grams of marijuana.

People caught with more than 15 grams would still be subject to a criminal record that carries a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Small-time users would be governed by the non-criminal Contraventions Act, a little-used act that controls such things as driving on federal wharves and abandoning vessels in a public harbour.

The anticipated penalty for marijuana possession would fall short of the current maximum fine under the act of $500.

The amount of marijuana to be decriminalized is only half the amount recommended by a special House of Commons committee on illicit drugs.

The Commons committee had proposed criminal sanctions be lifted for less than 30 grams. The Justice Department had indicated it would accept the recommendation, but suddenly retreated in recent weeks.

A particular concern is the growing prevalence of B.C. bud, a potent strain of marijuana that put Canada for the first time this year on a White House list of countries of concern in the war on drugs.

The United States has been pressing Canada to abandon its decriminalization plan, warning that it would lead to delays at the border.

The watered-down bill will include stiffer penalties for drug traffickers and people caught with marijuana grow operations.

To underline the point, Justice Minister Martin Cauchon will present his plan to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft today.

Mr. Cauchon is expected to stress that marijuana will remain illegal and Canada will toughen penalties substantially for marijuana-growing operations. He already described the plan briefly to Mr. Ashcroft last week at a Paris meeting of justice ministers of the Group of Eight leading industrialized nations, but today's meeting will give a fuller explanation. The legislation will be accompanied by a renewed national drug strategy, that will put millions of dollars into drug prevention, education, and treatment.

Mr. Cauchon said in the Commons yesterday the government has no intention of legalizing marijuana.

Solicitor General Wayne Easter said the message Canada is trying to send to Americans -- and Canadians -- is drugs are dangerous and people caught with anything but small amounts of marijuana will be treated harshly.

"There is some work to be done here, no doubt about that, but we will be coming out with a package that we believe the Americans will certainly understand where we're at as well as Canadians," Mr. Easter said yesterday.

"I think the key is there is certainly a lot of concern about marijuana grow operations, about people trafficking, about people being penalized with small amounts and having a criminal record that affects them for so much of their lives."

Randy White, a Canadian Alliance MP and vocal critic of the federal drug policy, opposes decriminalization.

He said he believes the government's plan will fail because judges will be reluctant to hand criminal records to people caught with 16 grams and minor fines to those possessing 14 grams.

Mr. White said the government's fines should increase with the offence, so that people caught for the second and third times would be given heftier tickets than first-time offenders.


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To: American in Israel
How many alcoholics do you know that are successful in life? None, right. But, better question, how many drinkers do you know that are successful in life? Most. Pot heads are the alcoholics of pot.
41 posted on 05/13/2003 12:37:20 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: American in Israel
Pot is stupidity in a bag for sale to the "highest" bidder.

You don't get out much do you. I know more successful Pot smokers, than I do burn outs.
I also know several losers/burnouts, who's problems are more than just smoking pot..
They have other problems, or addictions.
42 posted on 05/13/2003 12:37:30 PM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: Prodigal Son
One is sitting in the White House at the moment. I'd say he's a success.

Just in case nobody knows- President Bush is a recovering alcoholic. By his own admission.

He's also carefully avoided denying past drug use.

43 posted on 05/13/2003 12:39:15 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: jmc813
Yes, all offenders must be sent to the Dylithem Mines on Authoritarian Prime...beat them every day too....just for the hell of it.
44 posted on 05/13/2003 12:40:05 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Well, Pot is a toxin

If there's no toxic (fatal) dose, it's not a toxin.

45 posted on 05/13/2003 12:40:40 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
Ok, its a poison, so is alcohol. So is nicotine.
46 posted on 05/13/2003 12:43:31 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Yes, all offenders must be sent to the Dylithem Mines on Authoritarian Prime...beat them every day too....just for the hell of it.

Did you happen to see the episode of Enterprise a few weeks back where Archer was sentenced there? Good episode, but bad ending.

48 posted on 05/13/2003 12:44:47 PM PDT by jmc813 (The average citizen in Baghdad,right now, has more firearm rights than anyone in our country.)
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To: MrLeRoy
With a cursory scan, this looks pretty reasonable, to me.
49 posted on 05/13/2003 12:45:56 PM PDT by unspun (Merchant Seaman where are you?)
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To: RussianConservative
Ok, its a poison

Provide evidence that anyone has ever died of "marijuana poisoning."

50 posted on 05/13/2003 12:46:56 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: unspun
With a cursory scan, this looks pretty reasonable, to me.

More reasonable than US federal policy?

51 posted on 05/13/2003 12:47:53 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
In NYS, possession of less than 7/8 of an ounce (about 24 grams) is a very minor misdemeanor. (Class D I believe) This is in line with that.
52 posted on 05/13/2003 12:50:15 PM PDT by ez (...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.)
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To: jmc813
Yes, watched it. I find, though Enterprise started edgy, they have same problem as all "new" star treks...limp wristitess. Deep Space 9 finally shook it off, but was ended. Next Generation was extremely pathetic....lets talk feelings....if I wanted feelings, would watch any number of Russian/American/British or German limpwrist shows...which, coincidentally, my wife loves.
53 posted on 05/13/2003 12:54:32 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: ez
More reasonable than US federal policy?

In NYS

Is that what I asked?

54 posted on 05/13/2003 12:58:42 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
Asscroft is starting to get on my nerves.
55 posted on 05/13/2003 1:01:40 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Kil-lin' is my bid-ness, lay dees. And bid-ness is goooood.)
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To: RussianConservative
Well, Pot is a toxin

If it is, it isn't toxic enough to determine what a lethal dosage would be.

56 posted on 05/13/2003 1:02:33 PM PDT by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: tacticalogic
The estimated lethal human dose of intravenous Marinol is 30 mg/kg (2100 mg/70 kg). Using this estimation of lethal dose, the equivalent inhaled THC would represent the smoking of 240 cannabis cigarettes with total systemic absorption of the average 8.8 mg of THC in each cigarette.

Am I saying it likely? No, not likely. Am I saying possible? Yes, it is. It is a poison, like alcohol or nicotine, just a very low level poison. Next.

58 posted on 05/13/2003 1:07:42 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Am I saying possible? Yes, it is.

Provide evidence that it's possible for a person to smoke 240 joints in a row.

59 posted on 05/13/2003 1:12:16 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: RussianConservative
Can I search her for it?

She'll need to see your badge first.

60 posted on 05/13/2003 1:26:13 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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