'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms

Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

[gore3000]

Oh well, Scientists agree with ME, ID is NOT science.

One thing which evolutionists forget when claiming that evolution is science is that appeals to authority are worth ZERO in science. Science is like Joe Friday - just the facts. If you cannot back it up with evidence, it is not science.

[ALS]

You were using logic, now it's "evolution"?

Ok, go ask evolution how they ascertained that longer tongues put wings on lizards.

We'll wait.

[Derrald]

If I'm looking at Guernica and the guy next to me says "wow, those Spaniards sure got what was coming to them," I'm not supposed to believe that he has a thing against the Spanish? Your argument would hold water, but you CAPTIONED THE FREAKING CARTOON WITH YOUR OWN COMMENT, thus flavoring it with your opinion. Then, you yelled at me for inferring something from your opinion, NOT THE CARTOON.

Seriously, this has been going on for quite a while and you still have yet to egt it. Are you so dense that light bendsas it approaches you?

[rwfromkansas]

True. They could exlain it away as not necessarily being an argument against it though; it could be neutral if their explanation is correct.

What I am more interested in knowing due to their explanation is how blood started (since in the earliest creatures according to evolutionists did not have blood). How the heck could it just "show up" with all the necessary parts coming together at ONCE? How on Earth could the different blood types just come together for different species?

[ApesForEvolution]

You beat me to the punch line...again.

[Aric2000]

The ancestor had 48, two of our chromosomes joined up, if you look at the chromosome link, you can see it bigger then big, you can see where the one chromosome of ours, is actually 2 of thiers linked up.

Fascinating stuff...

[jlogajan]

Gravity is a proven, tested, and falsiable scientific law.

Actually, they are still trying to unify gravity with all the other forces. The theory of gravitation is still in flux.

[AntiGuv]

Again, feel free to review it at your leisure. There's no need to inform me yet again that you will not be persuaded, no matter what the evidence. I had already reached that conclusion before my initial remarks.

[ApesForEvolution]

Well, we would need to back up to the swamp that we all 'sprang' from...

[ALS]

Show us the caption that mentions hell.

AGAIN, you are injecting your personal fears into a silly cartoon.

g e t t a g r i p

[ALS]

"You beat me to the punch line...again."

randomchancedidit!

[Aric2000]

I don't SHOVE my belief system down anyones throat, that is why I do NOT discuss my religion with anyone.

Evolution is SCIENCE, NOT a belief system as you creos like to claim.

Your claim is false, and a lie, but that never seems to stop you.

I do not discuss my beliefs, I discuss SCIENCE, REAL, HARD Science.

But evolution threatens your worldview, therefore it scares you, and you HAVE to try and discredit it, no matter the means.

[cinFLA]

There are no facts; just hypotheses and theories.

[ApesForEvolution]

LOL

[gore3000]

The problem with ID is it does not follow the rules of science.

ID can be tested. Behe's irreducible complexity of the flagellum has been tested and it passed the test - if you take away any of the 40 odd genes that make it up, it will not work, period. So yes, ID can be tested.

Oh and by the way how does one test whetyher a species was 'naturally selected' or not?

[Derrald]

NO ONE EVER SAID THAT THE LIZARDS SPROUTED WINGS! You said this. Repeat after me: I said the Lizards sprouted wings. get it? YOU said the lizards sprouted wings. I said that you are nuts, and the only thing evolution would have proved is how lizards got long tongues.

Are you the kid, who, in the third grade, went up to another kid and said "You said that this rock could not be thrown over this wall!" then threw the rock over the wall and said "I win!"? Because that's the exact same logic you're employing here.

Argue with the logic of evolution, not your own convoluted thought. Then, we'll have a discussion.

[cinFLA]

If I drop my pencil it will fall to the floor. That is a fact.

Not a certainty, just a very high probability that it will ....

[Rudder]

I meant to say "I don't know for sure.

Both?

Well, sure! There are certain questions we human beings typically ask for which science has no answers, and although science knows it does not have the answers it remains curious. The creation and how it came to be is one such question. Even if we accept science's Big Bang, the quesion: "And what was before the Big Bang?" remains unanswered--totally--no data whatsoever.

Religion, on the other hand, addresses the same question and provides answers but without the data. In the place of data there is faith.

To a scientist, data are limited to being a product of the scientific method. Scientists are well aware of this limitation and, thus, know there are existential phenomena (e.g., Cogito ergo..., etc.) for which data cannot be found. Thus, scientists know they do not know.

Therefore, many scientists have faith.

[goodseedhomeschool]

chromosomes really are cool. For example:
Opossum, redwood tree and kidney bean all have 22 chromes.. Corn, marijuana and a carrot all have 20 chromes. Chimp and tobacco have 48. Interesting.

[ApesForEvolution]

Evolution (the faith in junk science trying to rationalize an alternative, with no evidence, God's very clear statements about Creation) doesn't kill people...evotards do.