Republicans Against George Bush

Personal Creation | 1/21/04 | Manny Paulet

[OPS4]

Only democrats think like that. Clear your mind and give GW the backing. Well, you know, a vote! Ops4
God BLess America!

[jstolarczyk]

If you are in fact a Republican, you are what I refer to as "Nose Less" Republicans. You will cut off your nose to spite your face. You are incapable of thinking beyond "stage-one" (Thomas Sowell "Applied Economics" Thinking Beyond Stage One) George Bush is President to all Americans, not just those of us that espouse a conservative view. No President can totally please his base, not even Clinton. To be reelected in todays enviroment, you have to court the so called independents. Flash...the so called Reform Party does not appeal to independents. Dick Morris says Hillary will accept the VP from Kerry, we have a fight on our hands and united we must stand squarely behind this President. It is that, or sharpen the knives and cut off our noses.

[MannyP]

If in fact, Hillary becomes the vice-presidential candidate, I promise that I will withdraw my opposition. However, I find it highly unlikely. Few have risen from Vice-President to President and Hilalry wants to be President.

[MannyP]

It is funny that you would call me short-sighted though, because that is exactly what I think of the rest of you. You are willing to sell out a little bit at a time for a short term advantage of having a President with an elephant by his name. When I explain this to people I say that we need to think on a longer term and be ready to accept a little pain now to avoid lots of pain later. We have been on a road to decline for some time. We the people are giving our God given rights up for scraps from government's table. I for one intend to at least try and get some back. I will carry on in Reagan's uncompromising tradition. Or at least if I compromise, it will mean that I only get half of what I want instead of giving the liberals half of what they want.

[jstolarczyk]

Great, by your logic let's kick all conservatives that do not met your standards out of the GOP, lets let liberalism run the country and then the "RINOS" (not my acroynm) will see the light and vote with us? Is that your logic? In the mean time even more troops die as the baathist and terroist see a chance to force us out of the middle east, NGO(s) under the auspice of the UN begin to tell us what to eat, drink and how to spend our newly increased taxes. But we won't have a deficit, unless Teddy Kennedy writes the new Medicare reform bill. Of course on the upside we will lead the world in stem cell research as the decline in abortions reverses itself and we begin to harvest fetuses. We do not have to worry about the enviroment, the Koyto treaty will be ratified and companies will relocate to India and China (exempt from Kyoto Treaty), however the workers won't mind, because they will have unemployment extensions and single-payer medical care. Of course there are the faith based charities to help get by, oops..no, the newly appoint activists liberal Supreme Court Justices rule against Jesus again, God is OK as long as he is Jewish or Islamic, Jesus is of course out. To punish us "RINOS" you are willing to take a chance that during the mid term elections President Kerry (More liberal than Kennedy, but better than Hillary???) does not have coattails and we lose the Senate which casterates the House. How can anyone not agree with such well thought out logic? This is not doom and gloom, all of it was attempted by the "Centerist", vice Kerry liberal, Clinton administration. Of course you have such high standards for conservatives that us "RINOS" do not belong in your party. I am anti-abortion, for fiscal restraint,pro-gun and a Christian, but I am a RINO because I do not focus on a single issue, and therefore I find George W. Bush to be best for this country. You want a acryonm how about Single Issue Conservatives or "SIC. Does that satisfy the need to pigeonhole republicans. We are the Republican Party not the My Type Conservatives Only Party, to be viable we must embrace alot of different levels of conservatism, because while conservatism is on the rise you would be wrong to assume they all think as you do!

[jstolarczyk]

Fact is you will get nothing that you want. That is short sighted.

[jstolarczyk]

Morris feels if Bush is weak, ESPECIALLY IN HIS BASE, Hillary has to accept the VP or possibly have to wait until 2012 to run against an incumbent vice president, remember Bradley vs Gore. Her age and time in the Senate work against her by 2012. If Bush wins, she remains the Queen of the opposition in the Senate and all press is on her. Kerry wins, it will be Hillary who? Unless she is the VP! Again I stress, there are so many issues and so much at stake that Bush not rising to the level of a Regean Republican is a dangerous reason to abandon the President. Question, would Regean in 2000 with no cold war and a 50/50 split in the electorate, be the same Cold War Conservative President. I doubt it!

[jstolarczyk]

Right now the Clinton's control the DNC through McAuliffe and donors. Kerry, if elected, gets the donors and he is the head of the DNC! Where does that leave Hillary...broke and out of power!

[jstolarczyk]

The very act of forming a government means we give up rights. If you refer to the Patriot Act, which is the only place I can see a Bush invasion on our rights, which of MannyP's rights are being violated by any Bush act? I worry that it will be hard to turn back the Patriot Act, when this war ends, by then Bush will not be President and our representatives will have to take care of that. But without reforms after 9-11, how do you honestly expect your government to protect us? More Police with advance Military Counter Insurgency training and functions, soldiers on every street corner, how? Israel has that and they cannot stop a car bomb, how can we protect an open society like ours without being intrusive? The answer is not to vote for Kerry or let him win by default, especially because as he stated last night he feels the threat of terrorism is overblown! Yea, I am sure New Yorkers agree.

[Delta-Tango]

But we won't have a deficit, unless Teddy Kennedy writes the new Medicare reform bill.

Well, Bush did let him write the Education bill.

the Koyto treaty will be ratified and companies will relocate to India and China

My friend, the job hemorrhaging is going on NOW. And you lectured me about "facts" in an earlier post? Since 2001, America has lost 3.1 million private-sector jobs.  Long-term unemployment is at its highest level in a decade. Where have all the jobs gone? Overseas, in many cases. In addition to cutting jobs to increase profitability, companies are looking overseas to save money in labor costs.

and we lose the Senate which casterates the House

In your post you almost accuse me of having "such high standardards for conservatives." I submit to you that by allowing those standards to be diluted that it is, indeed, the Republican Party that has been, in your word, casterated.

[windchime]

"Right now the Clinton's control the DNC through McAuliffe and donors. Kerry, if elected, gets the donors and he is the head of the DNC! Where does that leave Hillary...broke and out of power!"


Your accurate statement regarding the reins of party control USUALLY applies. Have you been watching the Clintons for the past sixteen (yes, 16 -before POTUS) years as I have?

The Clintons are NEVER broke (or broken) and out of power. They are like a super-virus 'couple' and have infected everything they touch, to be corrupted at the time of their choosing.

[jstolarczyk]

I do agree, but I am comforted by the fact that all things do come to an end including viruses.

[jstolarczyk]

We do agree!! Kennedy all but wrote the education bill, he underfunded it and blames Bush. But Bush wanted standards, he gave too much to get them.

Jobs...they certainly are leaving this country, they are not going to Mexico, they are going offshore to places like India. Bush and Congress are trying to stem that flow. Each time they do the UN, the EU and the WTO rule against us for protectionism. There is currently a Bill to prevent Federal jobs from being out sourced offshore. Already India is crying protectionism.

I see things somewhat different, I blame the Senate for casterating the GOP. Many of them adondoned the GOP long before GWB entered Politics.

George Bush cannot live up to everyone's standards, he will not meet all expectations. So do we fire him, because in reality that is what this is all about. A job, a four year temp position as the worlds most powerful leader. People can either sit on thier hands and let the process pass them by, or be counted.

But if, and I stress if, Bush does not met your standards, my friend you should be estatic today, Kerry now leads Bush by 1 point in the Rassmussen 3 day tracking Poll, Kerry now holds favorables over 60%. If that brings you joy, you may well be in Nirvana the next four, eight, maybe twelve years. God willingly, you can sit and watch us become Canda, New Zealand, or France. Then, we all can write about our conservative standards for posterity. Me I will fight and take wins were I can. But thats just me!

[jstolarczyk]

Lets pray the Clinton viruse, like ebola, eventually kills it's host, the DNC.

[windchime]

"It is unlikely that she would even attempt such a necessarily divisive and unlikely to succeed tactic."

I missed your comment yesterday. Unlikely is not in the vocabulary of the Clintons and they define divisive.

Unlikely to become Senator of New York, wasn't she. And who did she effectively push out of her way...Nita Lowey. Anything is possible.

[windchime]

That's what happens, sooner or later.

[MannyP]

Go to www.ragbush.com in the "news" section and read about all the things that president Bush is doing wrong. these are all articles by people like Rush Limbaugh. This is not one or two misteps. This is a complete failure and betrayal of conservative principles except in very few exceptions. However, I repeat, if Hillary is VP candidate, I will end my protest.

[MannyP]

The truth is that none of the these "reforms" would have prevented the massive coincidences that caused the 9/11 attack to work. Mostly, they are about the appearance of doing something. Besides, I sleep well knowing that if I die in a terrorist attack, my government will avenge me, that is enough. If we give up our freedom and privacy to be safer, the terrorists have already won.

[MannyP]

We are already becoming like them and if we always let our politicians get away with selling out alittle more, eventually we will be socialist. It will just take longer your way. I want a president that I can believe in. I am not willing to merely make it a slower death. If it takes four years of a dem. president, then I can take that too. Our leaders must learn. There is a reason why most people don't vote. They already don't think that it makes any differnece which side they choose. I too think that it means little as far as parties go nowadays, but I will fight. You be happy with pyrhic victories if you will.

[Delta-Tango]

Kerry now leads Bush by 1 point in the Rassmussen 3 day tracking Poll

Yeah, I guess the election's over!