[Coleus]

I once had the pleasure of attending a pro-life conference and meeting Dr. Richard Dorflinger of the USCCB, Wesley Smith, Esq., Dr. Angela Lanfranchi of the bcp institute and representatives of Priests For Life, where the focus of the talks were about embryonic stem cell research, cloning and the breast cancer link to abortion.  It was very informative and among the many lectures and talks topics such as In-Vitro Fertilization came up since this is from where the embryonic stem cells come. What was said was that when a couple, single female or a lesbian enters a fertility clinic for IVF up to 24 embryos are fertilized and created and in most instances the procedures fail leaving human life to be frozen, experimented with and killed.    When I head this, Brooke Shields came to mind since I remember reading about her 7 attempts to conceive, it's not hard to do the math, she created and killed 140 of her children and 140 of her daughter Rowan's siblings.

The more our culture blindly accepts killing, organ harvesting and treating other human beings as mere property, the further we slide into moral relativism, and it will be very difficult for us some day to make the argument that our own killers should respect our human dignity. 

We wonder why we have  the Terri Schiavo atrocity, Dr. Kevorkian, eugenics,  population control, babies found dead in trash cans and the other atrocities found throughout the world.

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[cyngust1]

Obviously someone who is insensitive, uninformed, and stupid. Also, someone who is obviously a parent taking his fertility for granted. The babies that are "murdered" during an IVF cycle are often embryos that would probably not have survived in a natural cycle. Doctors examine and transfer the best of the embryos to increase the chances of success. According to his logic, I have a lot of friends that horribly committed murder after they miscarried. According to his interpretation, I should be punished for having my period because I am expelling a potential baby.
I have had too many people tell me that it is "God's will" that I cannot have children. I cannot believe that it is "God's will" for a capable, loving mother to go childless, yet it is "God's will" to allow babies be born to crack-addicted and abusive women.
If I were to follow this man's teachings and advice, I should have taken my life four years ago when I was diagnosed with infertility. Since my husband and I cannot procreate, than we have no purpose on this earth.
This technology exists for a reason. It is to help the MILLIONS of childless parents have a family. Just because this poor man is raising his herd of hardheaded, one-sided, biased children, does not mean that the rest of us can't strive to have children with independent thought.

[Raquel]

Dear Coleus:

Great post! I am surprised by some of the reactions here at FR. If someone is against abortion, they must be against IVF treatments as well. The issue here is the embryo. The embryo is a result of conception, any destruction of an embryo is immoral and wrong. It's really quite simple. Each embryo has a soul and is a gift from God. People who promote abortion (either at fertility clinics are abortion mills) are just plain selfish. They don't care about the life of an embryo (even if it is their own) because he/she is not staring them in the face or he/she cannot physically beg for mercy. Me me me me me me me... I want a baby... I don't want a baby... I want reproductive choice... I want to be comfortable... I want to be cured of my illness at any cost... I want... I want... I want... Selfishness pure and simple.

I do have one complaint...

"Our Church stands squarely on the side of the dignity of the human person, and we can be grateful that the Church does not hesitate to speak out-oftentimes in the face of fierce criticism."

I had 16 years of a Catholic education, and most of the things I know now about chastity, reproduction and marriage, I've learned very recently, and only because I have sought out the information. There is a liberal/progressive wing to the Catholic Church that really should be unearthed and removed.

I was born in 1969, and was practically raised with the sexual revolution contraception and abortion. Aside from my parents, EVERYONE, was telling me to have premarital sex, just be careful. I wish the Church was more outspoken at a time when I really needed it. What I've learned now is that contraception and the sexual revolution ruined my marriage and almost my life.

Please keep spreading the Word, no matter how many detractors.

God bless you.

[Coleus]

Croatia's Catholic Bishops Warn In Vitro Fertilization is “a Serious Crime”

[Raquel]

Dear Coleus,

I didn't expect so many negative replies to you. I thought you were right on target!

[petitfour]

Did conception occur before or after the embryos were created? I need a biology lesson on this, I guess. Is it immoral to have sexual intercourse and not to get pregnant?

Brooke Shields' baby is beautiful from what I've seen in the grocery store check-out lines.

[LowOiL]

BTTT

[Coleus]

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[pray4liberty]

I’ll pray for her to have a baby, God’s way. May IVF not be necessary this time.

[plain talk]

Comparing IVF with Kevorkian is pretty lame. But if you want to go down this road you might as well lecture us about birth control and spilled seed while you are at it.

[wideawake]

Congratulations, Coleus.

You have received the least intelligent collection of responses I have seen on a thread in years.

Every moronic false analogy was run through almost immediately: the one where masturbation is compared to the killing of a child; the one where infertility is compared to a life-threatening disease like cancer; the one where moral use of technology is compared to the rejection of all technology, etc. ad nauseam.

You have also encountered every variation of the argument that it is permissible to kill the unborn as long as you are killing them to make yourself feel better.

It seems that poseur conservatives are no different from leftists when it comes to logical analysis of an emotional issue.

You have revealed exactly how puerile many of the minds on this forum are - and this forum, sadly, boasts comparatively more mature minds than any other forum on the web that I am familiar with.

[Alkhin]

Adoption is not a ‘gift’ either. There is a LOT of pain involved for the Adoption Triad, the pain of infertility as one of the many aspects. Im not against adoption, but as an adoptee myself, I wish people would stop treating it as though it were a ‘gift.’ Identity is seriously crippled for an adoptee. Think of how upset people get when their ID is stolen by someone. A baby is given very little or no option to recover it...no matter how much love is showered on it. This is especially true for international adoptions.

[Dajjal]

Excellent analysis

Bumpus ad summum

[GinaLolaB]

Coleus,

Thanks for the ping. Keep up the good work :)

[LadyDoc]

Umm...she underwent that many in vitro attempts, meaning that the children she conceived were placed in her womb but didn’t survive.

They died a natural death due to miscarriage. She did not kill them.

There are ethical problems in IVF, and even though infertile I refused to use it (I adopted). The main ethical problem however is that too many embryos are destroyed and unwanted...

God wants every child to be conceived with love, but one only has to see that God allowed Tamar to be one of Christ’s foremothers to see that he does tend to forgive women who sin out of excess love...

[KC_Conspirator]

Yeah, get real.

[Coleus]

The Catholic Church is 100% against IVF and considers it a mortal sin for many reasons:

Actress Brooke Shields kills 140 of her very own Children by undergoing 7 IVF Treatments

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sixth commandment

Catholic Caucus: Considering the Options for Infertile Couples

Catholic Caucus: Cowboys, infertility and deeper moral questions

IFV - Keyword

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Begotten Not Made: A Catholic View of Reproductive Technology

What Does the Church Teach About IVF?

Church teaching on in vitro fertilization